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QUOTE(winninguglyin83 @ May 30, 2007 -> 02:28 AM) boof is an average big-league pitcher who ain't one bit afraid of us. If he's average, then we have an average to below average pitching staff.

Morneau's better against lefty pitchers, which is very important in our division.

Outside of that Colby Lewis game, Thome's been pretty crappy since he returned.

DJ....please tell me one Sox player who had better stats in the majors compared to the minors when they got called up.

Tigers had more hits tonight than we've had all year.

QUOTE(Soxfest @ May 30, 2007 -> 02:12 AM) Masset sucks tonight dam. He's been s***ty out of the bullpen this year. Might as well send him to AAA and make him a starter and see if he can fill one of the holes we'll have next year.

QUOTE(caulfield12 @ May 30, 2007 -> 02:12 AM) is this recent? do you have a link? i was out of town and didn't have a computer the last 3 games... Who is Greg Miller? No link, but it came out a week or so before the Ozzie/North debacle.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ May 30, 2007 -> 02:11 AM) I don't recall any direct stories linking the Sox to Kendall before the 2005 season (only after we traded Olivo in 2004 there were rumors) and at the time he looked like a solid pickup with his OBP. Hell, Jason Kendall is currently the highest paid player on the Pirates roster. I remember the Greg Miller, Edwin Jackson, Odalis Perez, and Matt Clement kool aid flowing on this board too. Hell, we even had some people supporting Cristian Guzman. :o Ha, that's hillarious about Kendall and the Pirates. I remember everyone sitting around watching Comcast on the night Clement was supposed to decide, and there were "rumors" that he was going to give the Sox a hometown discount (which was just about the dumbest rational ever).

QUOTE(Soxfest @ May 30, 2007 -> 02:02 AM) This team tuned Guillen out since August of 2006 it is obvious to see on a day to day basis! I think there was a lot more to that article on mlb.com about the Sox having some issues with Ozzie. Articles like that aren't written for no reason.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ May 30, 2007 -> 02:03 AM) I remember how everybody said KW was a horrible GM heading into 2005. Maybe they were right, and 2005 was an abberation. Everything fell into place for him during that offseason. The only competition for AJP was Tampa, and neither the Red Sox/Yankees went after Iguchi. As DA always talks about on here, a lot of guys that KW initially wanted went elsewhere and sucked, like Clement and Kendall.

QUOTE(winninguglyin83 @ May 30, 2007 -> 02:05 AM) who should be the first three players traded? I vote: 1. Crede (find out if Fields can play). 2. Vazquez (somebody will want a pitcher). 3. Thome (Angels could use a DH). Vazquez isn't going anywhere. You bring up an interesting name in Thome though. I think he'd net us the biggest value in return.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ May 30, 2007 -> 01:50 AM) Gomez ain't going anywhere. He's about as untouchable as they come. Lastings Milledge is a different story. I don't care if he isn't great character-wise, we need some f***ing talent infused into this organization. I'd definitely like it if they tried to get Milledge while his stock was at its lowest. I don't even want them to make trades for this year....I'd rather they try to find guys that can be on the big league roster for the next 2 years or so.

The time to act was in the offseason. There was little done to help this big league roster...a roster that looked dead tired all during the 2nd half last year. KW's inability to get major league ready talent for Garcia really hurt. I'm not sure how much it matters though....the Tigers/Indians are much more talented than we are, and they have younger legs. If Liriano can return for the Twins next year, there's no way you can project the Sox higher than 4th place for the next few seasons.

QUOTE(caulfield12 @ May 30, 2007 -> 01:58 AM) It was 5-1 or 6-1 I think...and they were bypassing Morneau, which was the correct move IMO. Great. He didn't walk him, that's where the mistake was. QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ May 30, 2007 -> 02:00 AM) That's be nice. Won't happen, but it'd be nice. And we'll stay ahead of the Royals at least though. For at least another year.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ May 30, 2007 -> 01:55 AM) Just watching on gameday and I have to ask...intentional walk down by 8 w/ 2 outs? Yep, walk Hunter instead of Morneau. Ozzie is such a good manager.

Why should the players try if the manager has quit? I don't care what the situation is....you walk Morneau in that situation.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ May 30, 2007 -> 01:53 AM) Come on fathom, I'm not even that far on the ledge due to this game. AND OF COURSE THEY ARE RUNNING US OUT OF THE PARK, HAWK!! WE ARE SLOW AND OLD!! It was a serious question....not meant to knock Danks at all. I've expected Danks to have an ERA in the 5.25 range this year.

I'd love to see Ozzie have someone throw at Hunter here.

QUOTE(JDsDirtySox @ May 30, 2007 -> 01:48 AM) Thats the best line I have heard so far. Hawk thinks it is simply that we are trying Too Hard! When people say that bad results are happening because they're trying too hard, that usually means that their team sucks or they're impotent. QUOTE(diegotony06 @ May 30, 2007 -> 01:50 AM) That's unacceptable!!!!!!!!! Not even trying out there!!! Ozzie would never allow that!

Quick prediction game: who will end up with a lower ERA this year, Danks or McCarthy?

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ May 30, 2007 -> 01:26 AM) There's no memo. I'm just wondering where our Boof Bonser is. Certaintly there's atleast one pitcher in the system who can match him. Right? I'm sorry, Danks is downright AWFUL tonight. Can't drop a curveball to save his life. This better be nothing but an aberration. He pitched bad against the A's, but got saved by some hard hit double plays. His strike out rate the last two games is quite alarming.

Uribe's about 2 at-bats away from the Mendoza line.

Get him out of there....don't want his confidence to be destroyed.

QUOTE(caulfield12 @ May 30, 2007 -> 01:22 AM) I'm ready to just let them play Owens, Fields, Sweeney and Anderson and see what we have for 2008. If Mack or Cintron are on the team again, I might scream. I admire Mackowiak's hustle, but it's sad when you have to play two benchers in a game where they're both injured and shouldn't be on the field.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ May 30, 2007 -> 01:20 AM) I can't believe I'm saying this, but... I agree with Fathom. I really want this team to either play up to its offensive potential and stay healthy (the picthing is fine), or to fall apart so we can move forward. That said, this is NOT some awful team the way some of you are putting it. Its a slightly above average baseball team, even with the hitters slumping. If the hitters get back to their career averages, this is a team that could still make the playoffs. So, that's what I'm hoping for. But if that's not possible, then I hope they fall deeply into 4th place. We're not terrible....but "not terrible" won't cut it in our division. Too many tough games we have to play, and we've showed no ability for such an extended stretch to play anything well over .500.