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QUOTE(Rex Hudler @ Oct 29, 2005 -> 07:25 PM) Please be clear, I am not indicting the Sox for any wrongdoing. Nor am I putting them on a pedestal. They simply are just like everybody else. Lets just say that my belief on the Sox organization isn't just my opinion. I've been told information regarding various different organizations where handful of MLB players were steroid users. Are there players that were on the Sox in the past who were juicing? Absolutely! Were there players on the Sox this year that have juiced in the past? Absolutely! The funny thing about all of us this debate is that the Sox had to be the cleanest, in terms of steroids, team to win the WS in the last 15 years.

QUOTE(Rex Hudler @ Oct 29, 2005 -> 07:25 PM) Where did it say the player wasn't on roids during the post-season?? That is nothing more than an assumption, unless I missed something. And even if true, that and 50 cents will just buy me a soda out of the drink machine at work on Monday. It means nothing. Considering how long the appeals process lasted in the Palmeiro case, it would seem likely that the player tested positive more than a month ago. I guarantee the players wasn't still taking the stuff if this appeals process has been going on during the playoffs. It doesn't matter though, if it happened to be a Sox player, the championship would be tarnished and that player would never be forgiven by Sox fans. Thus, I'd be stunned if they found anyway to bring him back.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Oct 29, 2005 -> 07:14 PM) You think Pods is on roids?!?! I definitely don't think he was on the juice this season, nor do I think Rowand was on the juice this season. Were they on it last year? We'll never know, but there are ton of players around baseball who certainly have to raise some eyebrows with their drastic power differences.

QUOTE(Rex Hudler @ Oct 29, 2005 -> 07:10 PM) fathom, where might I ask do you come up with "the Sox' strict stance against steroids"? The Sox have been against steroids for quite a while, as I'm sure you know. After all the stuff they've gone through with not taking the tests last year, it would sure make them look like hypocrites if a starter on their World Series team got busted for it. Also, something that people aren't realizing is that it's not like these guys were on the roids during the postseason. Obviously, they tested positive for the stuff prior to the postseason. If that blogger went out of his way to mention it wasn't someone on the Sox, I feel a lot better about it.

QUOTE(bighurt2719 @ Oct 29, 2005 -> 05:43 PM) are you inferring that the bosox were better than anaheim this year? I think the Yankees were better than both those teams. There's no doubt in my mind though that the White Sox were the class of the AL.

Saw elsewhere that Pods is going to be on SNL tonight.

QUOTE(Ozzie Montana @ Oct 29, 2005 -> 02:09 PM) Very classy guy, Konerko is. Yesterday was the icing on the cake. Wherever he ends up, I'm always gunna root for him. ^^^^^^^ His slam was my favorite play in Sox history.

QUOTE(beck72 @ Oct 29, 2005 -> 01:28 PM) That does sound promising. As long as the sox are very close [in both years and cash--I don't see PK settling for anything less than a 5 yr deal] to other offers, I see a deal with PK happening. The sox esp. need to have him around for the next few yrs, with the pitchers all locked up. Even if they have to take a "hit" in the 4th or 5th yrs of a deal. The pressure for the Sox to sign and overpay on a deal have never been higher, IMO, with the series win, the weak free agent market and what PK has given [and will continue to give] the sox. That doesn't sound promising at all. PK is basically stating that it's likely he's going to take the highest offer. If we're going to have to give PK like 15 mil a year, I'd rather he just go elsewhere.

QUOTE(Felix @ Oct 29, 2005 -> 02:48 AM) Its a sigh of relief. Would be better if I saw "Carroll: Its not someone from the White Sox", but I'll take it either way I know what you mean. It doesn't mean for sure it's not, but it's a hell of a lot better than saying that it definitely could be one of the Sox players. Puts my mind at ease a little more.

Great f***ing news if true!!

I'll be stunned if he's back with the Sox. If he leaves, at least he went out as a f***ing contributor to a world series winner. You can't ask for much more.

QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Oct 29, 2005 -> 02:10 AM) Yeah but who would Anderson take over for in the outfield. Obviously not in right or center and I don't think that Pods is your DH. Things will work themselves out. Anderson definitely won't be the DH though.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Oct 29, 2005 -> 02:02 AM) Oh yeah, that's what these boards about. You're not going to have 2500 people wholeheartedly agreeing saying "Ooooh yes, let's trade for this guy" "this guy should be re-signed for $$$$" etc. And that's what will make this off-season so interesting, and so tough for KW. There are a LOT of different scenarios that could play out here, and right now, it depends on what Mr. Konerko does. In the mean-time it's just fun to speculate what could happen in the future, although I always like doing that whether it's April, October or December. The best thing is that we're basically playing with house money right now. KW can take a chance. Don't be shocked if we don't try and make a big time trade this offseason. It would be intriguing if Ozzie tries to use his latin influence to get someone like the disgruntled Miguel Cabrera.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Oct 29, 2005 -> 01:46 AM) No doubt our offense is going to need upgrading if we lose Paulie. Unless we trade prospects, I don't know how we're going to do that without trading a starter, and people won't like Contreras being moved. BTW, just cause I disagree with your opinion earlier, doesn't mean I don't enjoy talking about potential transaction things. Unlike some others, you realize that there's no way this whole team will be back next season.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Oct 29, 2005 -> 01:27 AM) C'mon fathom, you've been mooting trading Contreras while his value is at an all time high. Look if the Sox could possibly find a replacement starter in the FA market, it's an avenue they could take a look at (but I'd doubt it). Does anyone think Garland's definitely going to win 18 games next season? A lot of people are worried that 2005 may have been a year out of blue for him, hence don't lock him up to a 3-4 year deal. All these are things KW's going to hav to think about. Easier to keep Garland for 3-4 years in what should be his peak years than it will be to resign Contreras after this season. Not only that, but who would replace Garland in the rotation? Sure the hell not Duque. Also, if you get rid of Garland, you might be paving the way for Buehrle to also leave in a few years w/o his best buddy.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Oct 29, 2005 -> 01:18 AM) Which is what leads me to believe some random internet "source" made this garbage up and just used Carroll's name to make people think, "hey, this guy must be telling the truth." Of course, I'm already drunk and that could be the reason I think this way. It's 100 pct legit that he commented about it on the radio. Don't forget the blurb in the Sports Weekly. The main thing that sucks about this is that it takes away a LITTLE bit of what should be the ultimate enjoyment right now.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Oct 29, 2005 -> 01:10 AM) Most likely I think Paulie is going to leave, Dye moves to 1B and Anderson to RF (even though I think he'll be the everyday CF starting from 2007). The big bat the Sox want is going to come at the DH spot. So I don't think Thomas is going to be back, too much of a risk. You've got trade options. How about a Jon Garland for Chad Tracy type deal? Arizona would probably throw in a Cintron or a prospect or 2 as well possibly. Garland would be a good sinkerball pitcher at their park (Brandon Webb people), and Tracy gives us the big bat we need, yet he can also play 1B/3B/OF if needed. No offense, but if all that stuff happened, we'd get 3rd place in the AL Central next season. Our offense would be worse, as would our pitching.

QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Oct 29, 2005 -> 01:03 AM) Isn't it possible that the appeal was successful? Is it a given that the appeal failed? No, it's not a given, but it's almost impossible to appeal such a ruling successfully. I guarantee whoever it is will have a tremendous alibi.

QUOTE(Felix @ Oct 29, 2005 -> 12:37 AM) If someone leaked something though, wouldnt they have leaked the name along with the story? Wouldnt leaking the name be a bigger story than just leaking the fact that someone uses roids? I just read that the guy took a phone call during the appeals process to get his knowledge about the use of a certain performance enhancer.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Oct 29, 2005 -> 12:31 AM) Fathom, here's a question: If the agent of this player admitted his player got caught with roids how the f*** did this not leak, we don't even know what agent said this?? These things get leaked so easily and now this agent makes a statement and we got nothing? Seems kind of weird to me. I find it very hard to think that an agent let this leak, especially for a Sox player who would have still been playing. Do I think the rumor is accurate? Absolutely, or else Carroll looks like a f***ing liar about the appeals process.

QUOTE(Felix @ Oct 29, 2005 -> 12:27 AM) My problem is it, wouldnt we know about the player testing positive before the player appealed? Wouldnt they say something like "blah blah tested positive for steroids. its being appealed" At least, isnt that what happened with the Palmeiro situation, or am I off (quite possible)? I do find it hard to believe an agent would say something prior to the appeal. No matter who it is, Selig was going to wait a while to announce it. No way we're going to hear something until a few weeks after the WS if it's true.

If we're judging by players trying to recover after injuries, you never know if Pods might have done the juice to try and recover after his slow start back off the DL. Again, in no way am I saying this is a fact, but I highly, highly doubt that Vlad is the person we're talking about in relation to injury.

The main difference between this rumor and the Clemens/Damon rumor is that there's actually someone claiming they were part of the appeals process.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Oct 28, 2005 -> 10:29 PM) f***, why'd this have to happen?? I think that's the same thought anyone that has read this rumor had.

It's great that he said what he did, but please don't hold it against PK if he goes elsewhere.