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Can we avoid trashing the loyalty of these guys though? We have no clue what the contract offers were, and why they might not want to stay. We could question the loyalty of all players, but I would much rather this thread stick to what type of relievers we could try and trade for Garland.

I like Garland, and think he's matured a lot in the last year. However, there's no comparison between the character of PK and the character of Garland.

I could care less if we get another lefty reliever. I'd rather just get quality arms for our bullpen, righty or lefty.

QUOTE(Cerbaho-WG @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 07:20 PM) Bingo. The pool of players should consist of LaRoche, Guzman, Billingsley, Jackson, Miller and Broxton. If LA doesn't at least offer two of them, KW would be wise to hang up. Here's my overstated philosophy: KW depleted our farm system to get some highly skilled players who are question marks. If we're going to trade a highly skilled player with probably fewer question marks, then he needs to replenish our system with great prospects, not 2 or 3 average prospects.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 06:02 PM) Nomar, kind of. True, but don't you think that was a unique situation? Good job though Rowand!

One of the reasons so many teams do make trades with KW is that they know he's not afraid to give up big time players/prospects. This is one time where he needs to find another General Manager that's willing to take the chances he is.

When's the last time a team traded a major contributor at the deadline when they were still in contention?

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 05:44 PM) Which is why I think Kenny will wait for the deadline. That's when you could rip off teams for their prospects. I know we talked about this in chat a little, but why in the hell would KW plan on trading Garland at the deadline? The ONLY way we trade Garland at the deadline is if we're out of contention. KW's putting all of his resources into the next few seasons, and if we're in a situation where Garland is traded at the deadline, this season would be a disaster. Especially after the White Flag stuff, there's no chance we trade a major contributor during the season, unless we're so far out of first that even KW and Ozzie don't think we can catch up.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 05:25 PM) That would be scary. Check out his control. He sucks on and off the field. No thanks!

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 05:20 PM) I never thought Grant Balfour was that bad of a pitcher. He was in the Twins organization and had some decent periph's as a reliever. I have no idea if he had injury problems or anything like that. He's had big time injury issues. He does have electric stuff when healthy.

QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 04:50 PM) I could see the Dodgers Adding Wade Miller to their Rotation. Miller had another surgery. He's such a health risk that teams can't count on him to be in their rotation.

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 03:55 PM) How is Joel defensively? I've been told that he makes B.J. Upton look like a Gold Glover. Guzman projects as a corner outfielder or 1b now.

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 03:50 PM) Agreed. Billingsley is the deal-breaker. He simply has to be included in a deal of that magnitude. Which he very well might not be. Guzman is such an exciting young prospect that could still be the centerpiece of a good deal for the Sox.

QUOTE(heirdog @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 03:47 PM) Please stay away from Edwin Jackson, Kenny! I hate the converted OFs that are now pitchers. Broxton looks like Jon Adkins but hopefully he would pan out. Billingsley is a must to make the trade. If the Sox trade Garland to the Dodgers, and don't get either Billingsley or Guzman included in the deal, then that's a bad trade.

I'd take Fogg over Baj. However, Fogg will probably make more money than the Sox are willing to pay.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 03:01 PM) You have to admire his love for Giles though. He posts stats I've never even heard of to show how good Giles is. I honestly think I've stopped reading stats on this site. Every stat seems as a way for a poster to push his belief onto others. Sometimes, it's better to not use stats as analyzing a player, and just trust what you see with your own eyes.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 02:59 PM) Byrnes would actually make a lot of sense for the Cubs if they platooned him with Jock Jones in right field. Byrnes rakes lefties while Jones sucks against them. Too bad the Cubs are too stupid to do something like this. Instead, they will let Jones flail away at lefties. Byrnes defense in RF would be comical. He's the most overrated fielder in baseball. However, I had the same thought that you did, and I could see the Cubs going after him.

BTW, the Sox have supposedly talked to the Rangers, Dodgers, and Padres about Garland. I guess it's time for a 20 page thread about possible Padres trades. Cue VaFan and Brian Giles.

QUOTE(Brian @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 02:47 PM) Read Eric Byrnes was non-tendered. I'd take him off our bench in a second. Even though he'd actually be a perfect fit, I'm sure he'll get some nice money to be a possible starter for another team.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 02:54 PM) By the way, I'm not the one who invented the "OMIT TIMO" slogan. Other posters have made up nicknames for Sox players as well. Hey, that was me! That's it, I take back the compliment from a few minutes ago.

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 02:36 PM) How about the loser is banished from Soxtalk forever? I'm already sick of seeing 300 new threads posted per minute. You'd think you'd fly under the radar. Nope. Maybe it's just me, but I think he's a very solid poster who posts interesting information.

Trever Miller was non-tendered, and he's a definite possibility for a LHP relief spot.

I think this is a great deal for the Yanks. They needed a CF badly, and they can afford to give the extra 2 or 3 million.

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 05:52 AM) Somewhere in Boston, Peter Gammons sits silently staring at his fireplace, a tear running down his face..... He'll write an article soon enough saying how Papelboner is the greatest young pitcher in the game.

Not surprised at all that Damon picked the Yankees. He's not exactly a good guy off the field, from everything I've heard. The NY media will have a field day with his personal life.