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QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Aug 24, 2005 -> 11:54 AM) I am going to incur some major hate when I say this, but I have no problem with losing that game last night. That was the best baseball game I have seen in years at least. When you throw in the pitching that Santana did, the pitching that Garcia did, especially to pitch over the Ozuna error, the catch by Ford, the catch by Stewart, the catch by Dye, and the play at first base on the Ozuna bunt, that game was a pleasure to watch. I will be thrilled to death if we play like that in the playoffs. We hit a lot of balls hard off of the reigning Cy Young pitcher, the Twins defense was just always in the right place. There is nothing you can do about that. Our pitching and defense were absolutely unbelievable, and one stinking pitch doesn't change that. Honestly I am proud of the way the Sox played last night. In years past this team would have found a way to lose that game. Last night the Twins found a way to win it before we did, and to me there is a big difference there. The Sox have zero reasons to hang their heads after last night I can see where you're coming from. I think the fact the Indians won on an absolute horses*** call made our loss seem even worse. We just need to go back to finding ways to win...and then we can feel confident about playoff baseball.

QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Aug 24, 2005 -> 07:41 AM) Irish, you're going to be proven wrong on this one. I'm telling you Paulie's right. Remember that 4 game series last September (or the year before) against the Twins in Chicago? The Sox won the first two and during the second game the Twins nearly came back and won. They went on to split the series and then swept the Sox the next week in minny. That 9th inning of that second game, even though the Sox won, was the turning point in the series and the season. They had their foot on the Twins' throat and they let them off the mat. I'm not saying this is the exact same thing, but Paulie's right. You can take positives from a loss, even a tough one. Freddy set the tone tonight and you can bet that Buehrle's going to feed off it and so will the rest of the team. They swung the bats as good as you can against Santana and nearly broke the game open a few times. You don't get many chances against the reigning Cy Young. Swung the bats as good as they could? Wow, our expectations are really low for this offense. Also, I don't see how this is the type of game that could give the Sox momentum. Rather, that's the type of game that just let the Twins continue to feel like they own us.

What's the official date for soxtalk.com meltdown 2005? My prediction is about 4 o'clock on Thursday, August 25th if the Sox get swept by the Twins. Combine a possible 3 game losing streak (6 in a row vs Twins), with a 5 game lead in the division, and facing King Felix on Friday.....and you have the formula for an all-time meltdown.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Aug 24, 2005 -> 06:19 AM) "Don't tell me what you hit, tell me when you hit." ----Hawk Harrelson That's like saying a football player has good intangibles.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Aug 24, 2005 -> 06:18 AM) Gload went 2 for 3 with a walk and an RBI. His two hits were doubles. Meanwhile Timo gobbles his way into clutch situations. Hell, send down Crede. Look at Carlos Pena since he came back to the MLB team!

QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Aug 24, 2005 -> 06:16 AM) Timo must have been studying some new and improved fellatio techniques to take Gooch's spot in the clutch. It's really pathetic Ozzie's love for Timo. Iguchi might have struggled tonight...but he f***ing deserves the chance to contribute. First, he has a lot more power than Timo, especially in that situation. Iguchi's also more likely to reach base via walk, and he has more speed on the bases. I've been nervous all year that Ozzie couldn't manage us well in a pressure situation (playoffs), and he's really been managing poor during our stretch of bad games lately. I've never seen a manager leave his starting pitchers in so long.

QUOTE(SoxFanForever @ Aug 24, 2005 -> 06:09 AM) Anderson has pretty good speed as well. However, you wouldn't know it by watching him sit on the bench chewin on sunflower seeds. He seemed to have good speed walking back to the dugout after swinging through another fastball.

QUOTE(SoxFanForever @ Aug 24, 2005 -> 06:14 AM) Can we hire William Ligue to charge the dug out and beat some f***ing sense into Ozzie? Right now the Barons roster has a better chance to win than this team. Iguchi's OPS is about .200 pts higher than Timo...yet we ph in the 9th for Iguchi?

The problem is, we have to play Crede at 3b. NO MORE OZUNA AT 3B! I don't care if he got two hits tonight, his defense at the hot corner is terrible. He's going to cost us a crucial game if we continue to play him at 3b. If Crede can't do the job on offense, then that's what we acquired G. Blum for. There's still a solid argument that our lack of a back-up 1b has cost us a handful amount of games this season.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Aug 24, 2005 -> 04:26 AM) '05 D. Young = '05 C. Everett And right now, Everett is one of our top 3 hitters. We have a severe lack of quality MLB hitters on our team.

This team has absolutely no confidence at the plate. They've lost all their energy on offense. It's time for the lineup to get shaken up. I would like to see this lineup tomorrow (assuming Ozzie has to have Timo leadoff) - Timo - Rowand - Iguchi - PK - Everett - Dye - AJP - Uribe - Buehrle (just as good of a chance as getting a hit as Crede is)

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Aug 24, 2005 -> 06:02 AM) I am still trying to figure out what parts of this team are the "speed never slumps" part. That our offense was reworked because it needs to be more consistant. We need not to score 14 and struggle to score a few the next few days. NOW WE ARE GREAT, WE SCORE 1 RUN EVER OTHER GAME. Besides for Pods, we have below average speed at nearly every position. Even guys that are supposed to be fast, like Rowand and Iguchi, seemingly don't have the wheels they were supposed to. Ozuna and Pods are the only people that play the right way to take advantage of the speed.

QUOTE(SoxFan562004 @ Aug 24, 2005 -> 05:55 AM) there will be a bat or two moved before 9/1. Now, the quality of the bats may be in question, but a player like Todd Walker will be moved, maybe even a Cliff Floyd. Again, one may argue they wouldn't help, but I wouldn't be suprised with Rolen out Jocketty (sp?) in St. Louis pulls a solid trade off... Floyd's not going anywhere. The Mets can compete with anyone in the NL down the stretch. Maybe we can trade Willie Harris for Todd Walker? Actually, Dusty would probably love to get someone like Roosevelt Brown back in the organization.

QUOTE(greg775 @ Aug 24, 2005 -> 05:49 AM) But Irish, The trade deadline is passed. There are no options. Enjoy the ride; we are gonna right the ship. Says who, everyone that thinks it's every teams given right to go .500, no matter what? Will Iguchi, AJP, Dye, Uribe, Crede, and Rowand all break out of their slumps? What's scary is that PK has been swinging the bat amazingly well lately, and we still can't score.

All I know is Jacques Jones has more balls than any of our hitters. He always comes through with clutch hits for the Twins, especially against the Sox. Anytime that Iguchi wants to get a hit with RISP would be fine with me now.

Does anyone actually believe that our lineup is just all of a sudden come to life tomorrow, and score some runs against Mays? Hell, even if one or two guys pick their game up, we still have a lot of other guys in the lineup struggling.

Well, what's the worst that will happen if we lose the rest of our games this season? Exactly....nothing personally happens to us.

Our pitchers have less room for error than Paris Hilton's birth control.

One thing no one can accuse SSI of is complaining now when things are bad. All season, he's warned that this offense was not good.

QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Aug 24, 2005 -> 05:19 AM) i know but they have faced good pitching. This was never a good offense anyways. Bad news...we're going to continue facing good pitching the rest of the way. I'm sure we'll see Santana twice more this year, Felix Hernandez on Friday, Kenny Rogers next week, etc.

QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Aug 24, 2005 -> 05:19 AM) i know but they have faced good pitching. This was never a good offense anyways. Big difference between being "not a good" offense, and being just as likely to not score in a game as you are to score a single f'n run.

Basically, this team is in an absolute free fall, and you would think that judging by our manager and general manager, we're still up 20 games in the standings. You know, if you asked any baseball fan that didn't get to hear our constant Timo rants, they'd probably tell you that the only reason a manager would ever ph Timo for Iguchi was if Timo was the manager's boyfriend. Ozzie needs to step up his performance just as much as the players do right now. Ozzie and KW.....it's broke, so fix it!

QUOTE(Dam8610 @ Aug 24, 2005 -> 05:11 AM) So you b**** and whine because you having nothing else to say? Oh, I've had plenty to say this season, and even though many would say it was b****ing, there are also others that would say I was just being a realist. I'm not saying you're doing this at all Dam, but I've found it quite interesting how some posters are seemingly attacking some of the negative posters on this site in a manner that I think they're just taking their frustrations of the Sox out on the poster.

Once our offense shows ANY ability to score runs, I'll be more optimistic that we can break out of this slump. You can't win if you can't score. And you know what Hawk? One of the reasons that getting someone like Griffey Jr. would have really helped was that someone like J. Dye, who has hit like absolute s*** lately, would be able to rest a lot more down the stretch with a suitable replacement. I'm sorry, but I'm sick and f***ing tired of Timo as the super sub.

QUOTE(Dam8610 @ Aug 24, 2005 -> 05:06 AM) So why does everyone here keep b****ing/whining if they know that it's not going to help?! What else are we supposed to talk about right now? What brand of panties Timo had in the locker? Which Sox players were on roids? Does Timo spit or swallow?