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QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 01:06 AM) Who on this thread honesty thinks the White Sox as they are constructed right now are serious WS contenders? Not I. I'm still greatly concerned we're not making the playoffs. I see one team playing loose and with a ton of confidence...and the Sox seem to be playing not to lose. How are we going to beat the Indians when we play them if they continue to hit so well?

QUOTE(jphat007 @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 01:04 AM) We could only put a average player at one position. It would take an above average player at pretty much everywhere else except SS and Uribe is our SS for his D. Todd Walker would come off the bench. So would Lawton. and a bunch of others i've seen named. Ibanez is comparable to Everett at DH. SS, 3B, DH, and 4th outfielder. Those were all areas we could have really used an upgrade.

QUOTE(jphat007 @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 01:00 AM) If we could have gotten Randa and Griffey that would have been great. They were two upgrades at those positions. But Griffey didn't want to come, and KW got outbid for Randa. What are you going to do? My point is that you just can't point at a player and say that you wnat him and he'll magically come to the team. But when your team clearly needs offensive help, you have to find some type of spark. The thing that has concerned me most with KW has been that he's seemed to get fixated on Huff or Griffey Jr. All along, I keep hearing how we would only add a superstar. Well, at quite a few positions, even an average player would be an upgrade over what we have.

QUOTE(jphat007 @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 12:53 AM) KW has no reason to lie. HA! I would be mad if KW didn't lie in a situation like that. It would look bad for him and the organization if he said that another team offered a better package for a player. KW is a very smooth talker, and he knows what people want to hear.

QUOTE(jphat007 @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 12:50 AM) KW already said the package he offered Cinci for Randa was much better than what SD offerred. He can't make them accept the deal. I'm not saying you're wrong...but what do you expect KW to say? Yes, we tried to low ball the Reds, but we couldn't get Randa? Of course he's going to say he had a great offer.

QUOTE(Tadahito15 @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 12:49 AM) Not so much. We suck right now. :banghead Our offense has sucked for quite a while.

If KW thinks we can hold off a superior talented Indians team the rest of the way, more power to him. It's his ass on the line, not ours.

Indians have the lead again, and our threatening to score more runs. Their offense is simply amazing right now. At least they face Johan this weekend.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 12:32 AM) I thought it was odd, given how McCarthy has been handled by Texas and how long this game had been scheduled, that they didn't have BMac pitch in Seattle and back everyone up a day. Don't forget Garcia's struggles against the Mariners this year.

QUOTE(Tadahito15 @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 12:31 AM) I am afraid that this 2 run deficit will be enough already... :puke It would be the first time in a month we've won after trailing by 2 or more.

QUOTE(quickman @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 12:21 AM) but we don't need anymore offensive players. Look we don't match up well with these guys. mcarthy will get his ass handed to him tommorrow. its unfortunate. This game will get out of hand in a hurry. Look on the brightside, we will get to see the great baj! Yep, at Texas, we don't match-up very well at all. You have to be able to outslug teams once in a while to win games. The thing is, we're facing some real poor pitching this week in Texas. Even a medicore offense should be able to score a good amount of runs. I'm not giving up hope for tonight though....go Tigers!

Someone might want to let Buehrle know he's not facing the Twins offense tonight!

QUOTE(That funky motion @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 12:18 AM) Look like it going to be one of those nights! :headshake But didn't we have one of those nights yesterday?

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 12:08 AM) A team like Texas, Wash, Cinncy, maybe even the team like the Dodgers would be interested in El Duque. With his injury history, you'd have to think they'd be very cautious. And if they did accept him in a trade, we likely wouldn't get much in return. Also, don't forget that Ozzie LOVES Duque, and hasn't always been very happy with Contreras. Contreras is a much more attractive chip on the market...to go along with Marte.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 12:07 AM) But most people don't realize it. I think that's what he meant by "underrated". Bingo

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Aug 28, 2005 -> 08:52 AM) So in the end, the Cubs turned Jason DuBois, a guy they essentially wanted to just dump, into a very solid leadoff hitter, setting themselves up to make a run. After that run did not materialize, they then traded Lawton for a 21 year old starter in A who has put up very solid numbers this year. That is not bad trading right there I disagree. Dubois is a big time power prospect, and the Cubs ran him off cause he struggled in the field. With his power at Wrigley, he would have hit 30 homers a year if given the chance to start 140 games.

No one will trade for Duque. I'll be shocked if Contreras is back. Many teams would be willing to take a risk on him with one year left on his deal and hopes he can become their ace.

QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 12:01 AM) And they DID! I'm not worried about the tribe making up 9 games in the loss column. They'd have to stay redhot and the Sox would have to revert to their mid-August form. I just don't think either is going to happen. With the exception of Millwood, they don't have the pitching to sustain them. They're outslugging teams right now. Remember the last few years when the Sox used to do that? C.C. is pitching very good now, and Cliff Lee has actually been solid this year. I would have never guessed that Westbrook would be their worst starter. Their bullpen is so underrated though.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 11:58 PM) It sure sounded like that when you said 'Todd Walker is underrated defensively', and in the Bellhorn thread, that 'Mark Bellhorn is bad defensively'. Well, that's pretty ignorant. Then again, I guess I should've considered the source. Wow, nice personal attack there. Classy! I'm just going to refrain from coming back with a comment about you.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 12:01 AM) Isnt AJ a UFA? Can someone find me a link to his status?? With the $$$ thing, like I have said earlier in threads, NO ONE in Sox management knew they were going to have 20+ sellouts this year. Who knows how many games we will for the playoffs(if we get there )and I would have to expect a little increase in ticket sales. Moreover, if the Sox were to get bumped out in the 1st round pretty easy, which could happen very easily, I am truly confident in Ownership and KW that they would try to put us over the top for 2006 after a very dissipointing 2005 season(if we got knocked out 1st round.) We have arbitraton rights to AJP this season. You can bet your ass he'll be back. I still won't believe a major increase in payroll until I see it.

The Indians are playing with as much confidence as any team I've seen in a long time in regards to competing throughout the entire game. On the other hand, we haven't come back from a deficit of more than one this entire month. We need to discover our offensive fire, and soon. We're playing some good hitting teams this week compared to the poor hitting teams of last week.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 11:55 PM) We're going to have a s***load of money to spend in the offseason and not a whole bunch of holes to fill. Tony, good point about a 3rd baseman but I do think you'll see the sox in on Furcal because he's become a very good shortstop this year(errors are way down) and he can absolutely fly, fits into the whole ozzieball thing. Just a hunch but I think you see the sox go hard after Furcal in the offseason. How do you figure we're going to have a lot of money? Unless we don't resign PK and trade someone like Contreras, I think you're only going to see minor additions to this team. We have a lot of money to be paid to guys like Garland and AJP.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 11:49 PM) ??? Ok. I'll still trust 80 pairs of eyes than one pair... Who cares if you've never heard of it? Drop it. I could care less what this "poll" says. I don't get where you ever thought I said Walker was better defensively than Bellhorn. We need HITTING, and Walker is better than that.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 11:47 PM) I would rather have Todd Walker on my team than Willie Harris who was recalled today as Crede went on the DL. The White Sox need to pick up someone who can hit or there will be no joy at the end of this baseball season. Super, another weak hitting infielder on the Sox.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 11:43 PM) Think about how the Tribe felt watching us the 1st half. True, but we were never coming back from 5 run deficits seemingly every other day. I believe I heard the Indians have come back from deficits of 4 or more runs like 5 times this month.