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QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 01:37 AM) And you can throw in all of the fire jobs that Hawkins did as well. Dempster's ERA as a closer has been very good. Also, last time I checked, Shingo and Vizcaino didn't have stellar ERAs. You left out Ohman, Bartosh, and Wellemeyer, all guys with ERAs under 3. Wellemeyer is the best long man in the city of Chicago (that doesn't sound good). I'm the biggest Cubs hater there is....but I would take their full pen over ours right now.

QUOTE(KevHead0881 @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 01:36 AM) Pretty much explains most of this thread. Are you serious? You honestly think Ozzie isn't a terrible manager? I can't see how any smart baseball fan wouldn't think he's just god awful.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 01:32 AM) That's exactly what I was thinking... wow what an overreaction. Last time I looked, there were more than 2 relievers on a team.

QUOTE(Hideaway Lights @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 01:34 AM) Ozuna? No. He can't play defensively at 3rd base. Also, until he learns to hit the ball longer than 10 feet in air, he's not a real solid option to be starting.

Pods defense = bad. With his speed, he should be so much better.

Considering we have no other options at 3rd base, Crede would have had to play no matter what.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 01:30 AM) So you'd rather have the likes of Joe Borowski and Ryan Dempster over Dustin Hermanson and Cliff Politte? No, but the set of relievers as a whole. If you haven't noticed, the Cubs bullpen has been lights out lately. Our bullpen continues to blow game after game. Hermanson has been great of course....yet Ozzie doesn't use him.

QUOTE(Mr. Showtime @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 01:27 AM) Sad. Yes, it's sad that in the professional sport that is dictated the most by the coach/manager, we have a f***ing moron leading our team. Not only that, he's become a massive asshole off the field. Ozzie is becoming everything I used to hate about Dusty and the Cubs, where they had the "us against the world" philosophy.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 01:27 AM) Would you rather have the Cubs bullpen or ours? Right now, the Cubs.

QUOTE(qwerty @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 01:26 AM) Ozzie will have the nerve after the game when the reporters question why the f*** he would start walker to start an inning. Let's see when ozzie started timo at first we all new what would happen. Guess what? It did and it cost us two runs. He starts walker in a one run f***ing ball game? We all knew what would happen. He then follows walker with vizcaino when men are on second and third with one out? You guessed it we knew what would happen too. Ozzie showed absolutely no ability to think ahead that inning. Walker didn't look like he could strike out a 5 year old that inning, so why not walk McPherson and try to get the slowest runner in baseball to hit into a DP. Instead, Ozzie basically just gave the Angels the lead.

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 01:21 AM) Title says it all. He's been unbearable this week. Complete garbage. Be careful, he might verbally attack you like he did to Jeff Brantley. It's getting to the point where I hate our manager on and off the field. I used to think I would never hate a manager more than Dusty....but Ozzie is about to pass him up.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 01:23 AM) Neither of those last two called strikes have been called all night. That is crap. Doesn't matter, the 3-1 pitch was in the same place as the 3-2 pitch. We all know Timo is a f***ing moron and all.....but if you're going to swing at the 3-2 pitch before that one which was clearly high, then swing at the f***ing pitch on the outside corner.

So Timo takes the strikes, and swings at the balls? Why can't he just leave already....and take his boyfriend Ozzie with him.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 01:18 AM) So, have we seen enough of Vizcaino to decide that he sucks? Do we need to give him another month to f*** us over? If you don't realize he sucks now, you are retarded. Walker, same deal. Vizcaino did nothing wrong last inning. He forced the DP by the second batter he faced. We should have never pitched to Molina with an open base.

Lets see what Ozzie has f***ed up tonight: - Started Timo at 1b - Benched Iguchi for the 2nd time in 4 games - Let Kevin Walker, a reliever who hasn't pitched in over a week, start the 7th when we're up one against top of Angels order. - Left Walker in to give up 4 base runners to first 5 hitters he faced, with the only out being a deep fly out. - Pitched to McPhereson, who's swing great lately, instead of walking him to face the slowest hitter in the majors, Molina...in a definitely double play situation. - Pitched to Molina with first base open when a guy who was recently called up from the minors was up next (and ended up hitting into a DP). There's absolutely no excuse for this.

QUOTE(Soxnbears01 @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 01:14 AM) i usually stick up for oz, but today this is absolutely ridiculous. We've been hearing that a lot lately, havent we? Ozzie's the worst manager with strategy in baseball.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 01:12 AM) Minny's bullpen is awesome. Nathan, Crain, Romero, and Rincon are all very, very good. Gardenhire also does a great job at putting his bullpen in a position to succeed. Their pen almost always starts the inning, instead of coming in when a pitcher gets in trouble.

I would take Bevington or Maneul's strategy ability over Ozzie's in a heartbeat.

Is it safe to say that Ozzie's having the worst managerial weak in the history of the Sox? The funny thing is that we're 2-0 this week. I know a lot of people talk about how good our record would be if we had better hitting. I'm thinking that our record would be even better if we had a good, or even average, manager.

Hopefully that's the last time that terrible f***ing pitcher Walker ever puts on a Sox jersey. We should release him tonight.

Anyone that defends our piece of s*** manager now should really get their head examined. He has no f***ing clue what he's doing.

I'm just speechless right now. Why is our manager so f***ing bad?

Does our manager f***ing suck or what? When everyone in the free world can tell Timo will f*** up at 1b or Walker wont be able to retire the top of the Angels order, dont you think something is wrong?

Does Ozzie really think Walker can get these batters out? It's like our team has to win despite our manager.

Thankfully, we played Timo. Thus, the advantage of having someone who's never played the position before in the majors has really paid off. What will Ozzie do next?