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QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 02:01 AM) It's easy to say this 3 years later, but at the time we all felt that we didn't get enough for a 17 game winner. And further, I feel like you saw two things that said he had a declining fastball and have therefore concluded that these are true and define the player homer bailey. Eh, speak for yourself. I LOVED that trade when it went down. Getting 2 young starting pitchers with considerable upside for a $10M starter who was throwing 86 MPH and showing obvious signs of shoulder problems was god damn coup. I was performing grand dances of joy and elation when that trade went down, if the Phillies had bothered to give Garcia a physical before finalizing the deal we likely would have been the ones to get 11 s***ty starts out of Freddy in '07 before he broke down for good.

QUOTE (3E8 @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 12:21 AM) Where's Alvarez I assume they left him off since he has yet to play above the college level.

So it's starting to look as though hall of fame sports writers do receive and run with bad information.

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/minorleagues/prospects/y2009/ Should be interesting to see what Baseball America's top 100 looks like compared to this. 1. David Price - P - Rays 2. Matt Wieters - C - Orioles 3. Jason Heyward - OF - Braves 4. Rick Porcello - P - Tigers 5. Cameron Maybin - OF - Marlins 6. Madison Bumgarner - P - Giants 7. Travis Snider - OF - Blue Jays 8. Alcides Escobar - SS - Brewers 9. Neftali Feliz - P - Rangers 10. Colby Rasmus - OF - Cardinals 11. Mike Moustakas - SS - Royals 12. Andrew McCutchen - OF - Pirates 13. Brett Anderson - SP - Athletics 14. Matt LaPorta - OF - Indians 15. Dexter Fowler - OF - Rockies 16. Chris Tillman - P - Orioles 17. Trevor Cahill - P - Athletics 18. Jarrod Parker - P - Diamondbacks 19. Buster Posey - C - Giants 20. Brian Matusz - P - Orioles 21. Elvis Andrus - SS - Rangers 22. Tim Beckham - SS - Rays 23. Mat Gamel - 3B - Brewers 24. Tommy Hanson - P - Braves 25. Lars Anderson - 1B - Red Sox 26. Mike Stanton - OF - Marlins 27. Austin Jackson - OF - Yankees 28. Carlos Carrasco - P - Phillies 29. Eric Hosmer - 1B - Royals 30. Carlos Triunfel - SS - Mariners 31. Wade Davis - P - Rays 32. Fernando Martinez - OF - Mets 33. Phillippe Aumont - P - Mariners 34. Yonder Alonso - 1B/OF - Reds 35. Nick Adenhart - P - Angels 36. Jake Arrieta - P - Orioles 37. Scott Elbert - P - Dodgers 38. Freddie Freeman - 1B - Braves 39. Jeremy Hellickson - P - Rays 40. Jesus Montero - C - Yankees 41. Adam Miller - P - Indians 42. Brett Wallace - 1B - Cardinals 43. Lou Marson - C - Phillies 44. Jeremy Jeffress - P - Brewers 45. James McDonald - P - Dodgers 46. Derek Holland - P - Rangers 47. Kyle Blanks - 1B - Padres 48. Angel Villalona - 3B - Giants 49. Matt Dominguez - 3B - Marlins 50. Jeff Samardzija - P - Cubs Breakdown: 4 - Rays, Orioles 3 - Braves, Giants, Brewers, Rangers, Marlins 2 - Cardinals, Royals, Athletics, Yankees, Phillies, Mariners, Dodgers, Indians 1 - Tigers, Blue Jays, Pirates, Rockies, Diamondbacks, Red Sox, Mets, Reds, Angels, Padres, Cubs 0 - White Sox, Astros, Twins, Nationals

Cowley confirmed it.

QUOTE (bighurt4life @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 10:34 PM) Who knows how arbitration works? Does OC have to reject it? If he does nothing does that implicitly mean that he accepts the offer of arbitration or does he have to contact the commissioner's office and tell them that he accepts arb??? He has to ACCEPT the White Sox's offer of salary arbitration sometime in the next 75 minutes. At this point in time he's likely already gone to the White Sox with his decision, it's just yet to be reported.

QUOTE (knightni @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 09:16 PM) There's no way that Dunn should be in the same lineup as Thome. the Cell will be air-conditioned by all the whiffs that those two will have. For 1 season it's fine. The 80 HRs and all those walks between them would also totally suck though.

QUOTE (SEALgep @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 09:34 PM) Isn't that guy done? I think his eye injury ended his playing days forever... That was Juan, this is Edwin.

Oh and as far as Abreu goes: I'd only be interested in signing him if he's willing to accept a 2 year deal, anything longer than that would be a bad contract.

According to Cowley Jermaine Dye's agent has yet to hear anything about a trade from the Sox and KW isn't talking to the media.

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 09:27 PM) My totally inaccurate and spur-of-the-moment Sox starting lineup for 2009 is: 1- Furcal SS 2- Ramirez 2B 3- Quentin LF 4- Thome DH 5- Konerko 1B 6- Abreu RF 7- Fields 3B 8- AJP C 9- Taveras CF If the Sox can afford it, I can live with it though I'd rather the Sox move Quentin back to his natural position of RF in hopes that his defense improves from last year.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 09:21 PM) Kenny has been trading our all or nothing OF'ers, I dont see him going after another one at this point. He'd only play the OF for 1 season then become the full time DH in 2010. It's actually a perfect fit.

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 09:18 PM) For once, I agree with you completely. I actually welcome the idea of Taveras in CF and batting 9th. The problem then is finding a leadoff hitting infielder. If they have one in mind (ie: Furcal) then Taveras is a valuable commodity in the 9 hole. The key though is keeping him at the bottom of the lineup, he has no business at the top.

QUOTE (dasox24 @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 09:13 PM) I would absolutely love it if we signed Raul Ibanez. Dude is a badass and a Sox killer, so it would be nice having him on our side. He's also 2 years older than Jermaine, an awful defender and would cost the Sox a 1st round draft pick.

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 09:10 PM) T minus how many hours before Broadway is traded for WT I think it's funny that we'd be trading for, starting and batting leadoff a player who's former team believes is less valuable than Scott Podsednik.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 09:08 PM) Bobby Jenks and Alexei Ramirez weren't bad either, and Loaiza. We'll have to wait and see on Mr. Viciedo. Jenks was claimed off waivers.

QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 09:07 PM) So would of Kenny, but those pesky NTC's mess up those plans. Not to mention player versatility, 2008 production and length of contract. Dye was by far the easiest to trade of the 3.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 09:01 PM) FWIW, Hal McCoy is a HOF baseball writer. I'm aware. Respectable writers are not immune to bad information.

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 09:00 PM) On the other hand, if we use this money wisely, then I don't mind these moves. I'd like to be the first to say thank you to Jermaine Dye. One of the most significant players in Sox history. 1 of my top 3 favorite White Sox of all-time.

QUOTE (knightni @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 08:59 PM) The thread is pinned and the link is real. And there's only 1 source and he/she's anonymous. It's a rumor until there's a second source.

It's hard to take this seriously until we get more than 1 anonymous source saying it's a done deal.

This is starting to feel like a typical A's offseason only we're not getting great value for a our expensive major leaguers.

QUOTE (103 mph screwball @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 12:56 AM) Yet still Cantu is an improvement over Fields in my mind. Fields will not be stellar defensively either. Cantu would be much more consistent and strike out less. I hope Viciedo can pull an Alexei and start at 3rd. If you can get Cantu for Armstrong, I think you gotta do it. Unless of course he reverts back to his 2006 performance level when he was one of the least valuable players in the game and spent some time in the minors. Hell, the Reds released him in December of '07 after acquiring him midseason (for a package of crap) because they didn't think he was worth the $1M+ it would have taken to retain him in arbitration. Personally, I don't think much of Jorge Cantu. He's one of the absolute worst defenders I've ever seen in my life at any position, he really does make Josh Fields look good. He's a toy baseball player because aside from his decent gap power he possess no other tools. If I'm the Marlins and I can get a young left handed catcher with decent power potential who's never played a game above AAA for Jorge Cantu, I jump at it.

QUOTE (Gregory Pratt @ Dec 6, 2008 -> 01:13 AM) Over, I think, seven years, he averaged a sub-1 WHIP, if I recall correctly. (I know it was over five years, and I think it was up to 7.) 8/24/91 - 9/27/98: 236 GS, 1749.1 IP, 132-57 (.698 WIN%), 2.18 ERA, 0.98 WHIP, 0.35 HR/9, 4.67 K/BB, 60 CG, 20 SHO Not bad.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 6, 2008 -> 01:57 PM) Please explain his .542 road OPS in 2008. As long as you're ripping Cabrera for being "underwhelming" in 2008, I'm sure you'll have a reason for the absolutely pathetic numbers Greene put up away from Petco. Juan Uribe has gotten on base at a better clip than Mr. Greene the past 2 seasons. He sucked last year. I never said I wanted him on my team but I can see why someone would gamble on a 29 year old who plays great defense and will probably hit a ton of homeruns/doubles, assuming last season was just a down year. He's not going to walk, I think that's pretty obvious (though over the course of his career he's proven he can do it better than Uribe) but at least he's done 2 other things incredibly well since coming into the league. SS more than any other position you tend to look past certain deficiencies in a player's game if he's going to play great D. Assuming 2008 was an anomaly and just a down year he's probably going to be a pretty good player for the Cardinalsin 2009, assuming he stays healthy. And Cabrera's underwhelming 2008 was right in line with his career norms while Greene's 2008 was well below his.