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QUOTE (DBAHO @ Nov 20, 2008 -> 11:14 PM) To be honest, if you could get Furcal for 3 years, I'd almost jump on that. He still makes a lot of sense for this team with the needs that we have. Except it's going to take more than 3 years to get him. He's already received a couple 3 year deals and is now looking for 4 years, you have to think someone will be willing to go to 4 with him given the need for SS and leadoff hitters throughout the league.

Jeebus, Kris Versteeg is good.

QUOTE (SoxFan101 @ Nov 20, 2008 -> 08:48 PM) If thats what your looking at Dye prob give a similar avg. but had around 75 XBH's. Not too mention he walks about twice as much than Victorino. Dye draws a walk twice as often as Victorino? Um, no. Dye has never been very good at drawing walks and last season was no exception he drew 44 walks in 590 ABs, Victorino drew 45 in 570 ABs. So they're going to post similar batting averages, walk about the same, Dye is going to provide much more power (about 100 points in SLG) and Victorino is going to provide much more speed. Shane plays an excellent CF while Dye plays a subpar right, Victorino is 7 years younger, under team control for 3 more years and will make a quarter the salary of Dye next season.

GS W L IP ERA WHIP K BB K/9 2008 vs NYY: 5 3 1 38.1 1.64 0.94 43 6 10.1 2008 vs BOS: 4 2 0 27.2 2.60 1.23 24 13 7.8 2008 vs TB: 3 1 2 20 3.15 1.40 26 8 11.7 2007 vs NYY: 2 1 0 15 0.60 0.93 13 6 7.8 2007 vs BOS: 1 1 0 8.2 3.12 1.38 11 3 11.4 2007 vs TB: 4 1 1 27.1 3.95 1.23 37 11 12.0 2006 vs BOS: 3 2 0 20 2.25 0.95 18 5 8.1 2006 vs TB: 1 1 0 7 2.57 1.00 1 3 1.3 vs AL EAST: 3.01 ERA, 1.21 WHIP '07 & '08 vs NYY: 1.35 ERA, 0.94 WHIP So since joining the AL East in '06 he's been pretty dominant against Boston and has handled the Rays nicely. He's also eaten the Yankees lunch the past 2 seasons so their most recent memories of AJ Burnett are quite positive.

Is there a reason why Gordon and Hughes are running the point right now? Rose hasn't even touched the ball in at least half of the Bulls' offensive possessions thus far.

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QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 18, 2008 -> 05:10 PM) I think I'm going to vomit. I look at an MVP as, "who scares the other team the most?" When Pujols came to the plate, teams were f***ed. Same with Morneau. Sure, the Twins didn't win the division, but they came as close as you can behind two bats and a bunch of over-worked arms. When Morneau came up, you knew you were in trouble. Teams game-planned around him. Pedroia was the 3rd to 7th scariest bat on his team. He's probably the worst MVP I've seen in my lifetime. I'd rather it have gone to Youkilis than Pedroia. Unless of course it was September.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 18, 2008 -> 10:44 AM) Carrasco essentially has only four major league seasons, sandwiched around a year waiting in exile with a Japanese team. I would think we would control his rights for two more years, but I can't be positive about that. Oops, forgot to list Jiminez with the other bullpen options. Carrasco has a little over 3 years of service so we control him for 3 more years, he's arbitration eligible in 2009.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 18, 2008 -> 12:27 AM) I think it's worth noting that St. Louis won 86 games (which would have won the division in the West), and I would like to imagine that they are probably a 76 or fewer win team without Pujols. Well Pujols finished with a VORP right around 100 (by far the highest in the game, Hanley was 2nd at like 80) and typically 10 points in VORP = 1 win, so at least according to Value Over Replacement Player Pujols was worth about 10 extra wins to the Cardinals making them a 76 win team without him.

QUOTE (Texsox @ Nov 18, 2008 -> 10:40 AM) Keep your crap and sell your treasures! And dream, dream of the days when your crap starts winning and you can dump them at their peak Personally, I'm dreaming of the day you contribute anything to a baseball discussion aside from this same tired stance that you rarely, if ever backup. There's at least 10 solid points on the subject, you could choose to counter any of them but no we get the same ambiguous response apparently aimed at no one in particular. Debate a point, it could be fun. I'll start. I have good reason to believe that this particular "treasure" that participates in 4% of the team's overall innings will more than likely turn to "crap" within the next few years. There's also reason to believe that another team, desperate for a closer could be willing to trade us some of their "treasure" for our "treasure" that may soon turn to expensive, overweight "crap". Ok, your turn.

QUOTE (wilmot825 @ Nov 18, 2008 -> 02:35 AM) Does this make any sense what so ever? I still am scratching my head to why Kenny is even entertaining the thought of sending the "Man-Child" elsewhere. Jenks has been the most consistent and most solid player on the White Sox since he came up in 2005. You can always count on Bobby to knock it down in the 9th and get 35 saves a season. Remember when we traded a top closer in his prime, Keith Foulke. We get Billy Koch who BOMBED, and Foulke had solid seasons with Oakland and Boston before his decline. I don't see trading Bobby Jenks making anymore sense, they should have kept Swish and tried to unload Konerko to LAA and let the Yanks get Tex. How does Foulke lasting only 2 years post Sox before breaking down and becomes completely ineffective help your argument at all? If anything it's a good case for trading Bobby now before he breaks down like soooo many closers have in the past. Maybe this time KW shouldn't trade his closer for another young closer with a s*** load of tread on his arm and some weird skin disease though we did also receive Neal Cotts in that deal who turned out to be much more valuable to the Sox in their Championship season than a 32 year old, horrible, $7.5M Keith Foulke would have been. So in hindsight you could make the case that the Foulke trade was a positive one. Oh and bringing up Billy Koch - a young power closer who broke down in his 20's - doesn't help your case one bit either.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 18, 2008 -> 03:42 AM) Thome and Dye have also been better than Jenks since 2005. Thome's put up an OPS near .950 in a Sox uniform and has hit 111 homers in 3 years. Dye's put up an OPS near .885 in 4 years and has hit 137 homers. I'd find it hard for a guy who throws 60-80 innings a year to be more valuable than that, especially considering how mediocre he was in 2006. He's never topped 70 innings in a season so 60-70 is much more accurate. So he appears in maybe 40% of the team's games and accounts for 4% or 5% of the team's innings pitched for a given season.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Nov 17, 2008 -> 07:14 PM) Why not wait all the way until the deadline. No reason to lock yourself into the possibility of arbitration until you absolutely have to. That's what pretty much all teams elect to do.

Well if Cabrera were nice enough to sign a deal before December 1st we won't have to worry about offering him arbitration, we'd receive the Type A compensation regardless.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 17, 2008 -> 03:28 PM) Hmmm, a few years ago Pujols complained that someone won the award over him despite their team missing the playoffs. I wonder if his opinion's changed now. Albert was asked a few weeks ago who he'd give the MVP to, he said that since his team didn't make the playoffs he would give it to Howard. Pujols was 100% deserving, I don't give a s*** what his team did he was by FAR the best player in baseball this season.

FWIW Bobby Abreu - much like Jermaine - ranked near or at the bottom amongst all RF in most fielding metrics last season and his reputation tends to back this up.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Nov 16, 2008 -> 11:07 PM) I didn't realize he was a switch hitter. I agree with you on every sentiment. Too bad he's a Boras guy and I guarantee someone will give him a starting job. For god sakes, look at how Jason Kendall continues to get opportunity after opportunity. Well Jason Kendall did have the best CS% of all major league starting catchers last season, somehow.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Nov 16, 2008 -> 10:18 PM) I didn't realize Varitek was a switch hitter. It would make perfect sense, C an he play back up at 1B? There's no need for the backup catcher to play any 1B now that Betemit is on the roster and besides Varitek isn't a realistic option, he's a good fit from the Sox's perspective but not from Varitek's or his agent's.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Nov 16, 2008 -> 09:48 PM) Hell no.............he is done and can't get on base to boot! Jason Varitek had a higher OBP than AJ Pierzynski last season.

Varitek is a switch hitter who hit .284/.378/.484/.863 in 111 PA against lefties last season and .284/.362/.468/.830 for his career. If his name wasn't Jason Varitek and not represented by Boras then it would make perfect sense, he'd be the ideal backup catcher to AJ.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Nov 15, 2008 -> 11:00 PM) We see this rumor talk going around about trading Bobby Jenks and commenst about the Sox thinkig a kid at AA (Link) can step in and become the big league closer to replace Jenks. My thoughts on this is someone must have alot of time of their hands to dream, this stuff up. The Sox can'tg really be that far out are they? Why is that so tough to imagine? Bobby was a 24 year old AA pitcher when he replaced Hermanson in '05.

QUOTE (SmashROT @ Nov 15, 2008 -> 03:45 PM) I'd be up for offering him a 1 year, although he will probably make some decent change somewhere else. Any chance we take a shot at Randy Johnson for the 5th starter spot? I hear a lot of talk about Colon and Garcia on this board and personally it gets me a little shakey. Randy has said that he'd like to stay in the NL and he's looking for around $8M.

QUOTE (chiguy79 @ Nov 15, 2008 -> 01:47 PM) Low ball him on a 1-yr offer to stay in Chicago, he said he prefers to stay in Chicago, make him say no, if we could get him for 1-yr reasonable $$$s why not, I am all for loading up our bullpen. If he thinks he is going to get $10mm and more than 2yrs he is crazy, not with his injury history. He'll get 3 years, $30M easy, I wouldn't be at all surprised if he pulls in a 4 year deal worth $10M per. He showed last year that he can stay relatively healthy out of the pen while being a more than competent closer, that's all some teams need to see especially those who desperate for a late inning-man.

QUOTE (chiguy79 @ Nov 15, 2008 -> 01:39 PM) take a bag of chips and move on...thank god we won't have to see him pitch for us again. That's not what this is at all, we could very well see him again next year, he's still a member of the organization until he chooses to leave.

QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Nov 14, 2008 -> 05:07 PM) So Macs options are to take the $3M from the Sox and sit out a year or to sign a new contract with somebody else? Well he's not "sitting out" he'll just start the year in Charlotte making $2.65M (there's a 350k buyout for '09 bringing the guaranteed money to $3M). If he pitches well enough through the first few months of the season the Sox could elect to place him on the 40 man roster and call him up. No matter what he decides to do however, he's likely to start the season in AAA, no one's going to give him a major league contract.