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QUOTE(GoRowand33 @ Jun 15, 2006 -> 06:24 PM) great we seem to lose with widger o well, I hope mark hits someone Perception is not always reality. The Sox are right around .500 with him starting.

QUOTE(Contreras @ Jun 15, 2006 -> 04:44 PM) The general Sox fan internet population suffers from occasional bouts of temporary stupidity when "prospect" pitchers are involved. I submit the follwing for evidence (we've seen it time and again): Sox fan hears Player a is being traded. Player a is a random mid-round pick from 4 years ago. He's 25 years old. He's a couple years older than his peers. He's never dominated in the minors to any degree, but the Sox of course call him a prospect. This is not suprising, because the Sox call all of their minor leaguers "prospects with great tools." To back this up they give Sox fans useful statistics like "in rookie league 2004, player a held left-handed hitters to an amazing .017 batting average in day games during the second week of July when no one was on base and a slight drizzle was falling sideways from a south-southeasterly direction." Sox fans naturally reply with "Wow! We need him in our bullpen to get lefties out! No one can hit him! He's the next Hoyt Wilhelm!" or "We're trading him for WHO??!??!?! He's an amazing prospect, we need to be getting at least a Carl Crawford or Vernon Wells for him!!!" Sox fans love to ignore the giant elephant in the middle of the room when "prospects" are involved in any situation that could be conceived as detrimental to their "progress." That giant elephant being that every pro scout not on the Sox payroll says that player a is a heap of dog doodie... Anyway, the moral of the story is this, folks: NO ONE OUTSIDE OF THE WHITE SOX ORGANIZATION CONSIDERS SEAN TRACEY TO BE A GREAT PROSPECT! You won't see him on any list of notable prospects. Settle down! What we have here is either: 1) a non-prospect, unimportant minor league callup that thinks he doesn't have to listen to Ozzie 2) a non-prospect, unimportant minor league callup that is unable to plunk a 6'1" 200 lb target when he's really trying to In either case, he's not worth worrying about and does not belong on a major league club, let alone one in contention. If Ozzie yelling at him makes him tear up like a little girl with a skinned knee, how could he ever handle the pressure of a playoff game? Sean Tracey is not worth worrying about and we now have the talented and proven Mr. Riske here to take his spot. Hopefully Kenny can work his magic and turn Tracey, under the guise of him being a "prospect" into a piece of a trade for another dependable relief arm around the deadline. Sean Tracey...He Gawn! He may not be a huge prospect nationally as in one of the best in the minors receiving major accolades from the mainstream media but when it comes down to the micro side of it he is still considered a top 10 prospect in the White Sox organization, he may not be a top of the line prospect with a giant upside but he is far from a non-prospect. #10 on Baseball America's Top 10 Sox Prospects #7 on Futuresox.com's List of Top 10 Sox Prospects QUOTE(shoota @ Jun 15, 2006 -> 05:41 PM) I hate that reasoning. Any time Ozzie's passion gets out of control he isn't responsible because that's just his personality? Bulls***. Wrong is wrong no matter what type of "flavor" a person has. IT'S JUST OZZIE BE'IN OZZIE! *laughtrack*

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jun 15, 2006 -> 05:11 PM) I'm guessing he won't be available until the Cincy series? He's joining the team in Tomorrow in Cincinnatti.

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Jun 15, 2006 -> 03:45 PM) Which would have pushed back his start 2 days or so. Not great, but not the worst situation. In many ways, a reliever suspension hurts the team more. That would still throw off the whole rotation with having guys like Buehrle working on short rest or your pulling your best setup man out of the pen to make a start or maybe even bringing up a certain knuckleballer to make a start. Is it really worth it?

Diving catches look flashy as all hell. Jonny Gomes had a play earlier in the season against the Sox where he 1.) Got a s*** jump on the ball 2.) slowed down half way to the ball in flight 3.) fell down at the last second unnecessarily This play was considered great by those fellers over at ESPN when any RF worth a s*** would have been camped under the ball making the catch with ease.

Randy Johnson was suspended 5 games today by MLB along with Torre picking up a game. No warnings were given out and I'm pretty sure Randy didn't even hit Eduardo Perez. If this is any indication I'd have to say Vazquez would have received something like 6-7 games for hitting a batter after warnings were given out and Ozzie more than likely would have picked up 2. Just an FYI.

Perhaps Ozzie has become Manny Ramirez, every time he does something totally off the wall and uncalled for we can say "Hey, it's just OZZIE BEING OZZIE!" Fun.

QUOTE(SoxFan76 @ Jun 15, 2006 -> 03:24 PM) :rolly I know it's "not cool" to say negative things about the other team and it's players, but get real. Everyone knows Maddux had an extended strike zone. How else do you walk like 10 guys a year and have an ERA below 2. He's a great pitcher, a hall of famer, one of the best of all time. He earned those extra inches off the plate. But his numbers are so ridiculous because of those extra inches. It's just a known fact and I never thought someone would argue it. Geez, I can't win around here. You can't win because you're making ridiculous claims, no one denies the fact that Maddux has always had a large strike zone but 6 inches is f***ing excessive.

QUOTE(rangercal @ Jun 15, 2006 -> 03:17 PM) yes really. There's a lot of people who are completely turned off by Guillen's constant childish behavior, of course no one would dare say such a thing out of fear of being lynched.

QUOTE(Hangar18 @ Jun 15, 2006 -> 02:12 PM) or won 15 games a year for a bunch of years ......... Yeah, that has nothing to do with being on some great teams and being just a great pitcher. 6 inches is all the way into the other batter's box.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Jun 15, 2006 -> 01:38 PM) WOOOHOOOO! GOOD FOR YOU!! Now, seriously, if you have stories to tell like that, keep it to a PM. I don't care what's going on over there, and neither does just about everyone else here. Hmm.

QUOTE(rangercal @ Jun 15, 2006 -> 03:12 PM) I agree! Gotta love the OZ! Not really.

QUOTE(Jimbo @ Jun 15, 2006 -> 02:11 PM) White Sox optioned RHP Sean Tracey to Triple-A Charlotte. Tracey was doomed from the moment he failed to plunk Hank Blalock last night. As upset as Ozzie Guillen was about the incident, Tracey could be a candidate to be traded next month Tracey was optioned because of the Riske acquisition, I really don't think last night effected his chances of staying with the team.

QUOTE(Steff @ Jun 15, 2006 -> 01:50 PM) High and hungry no doubt. LMAO!! GMTA!! Haha, nearly word for word. I guess his reputation precedes him.

QUOTE(WCSox @ Jun 15, 2006 -> 01:48 PM) I happened to be sitting at a large table with about six other Sox fans and Ray definitely seemed happy to see us there... and not in a fake, PR sort of way. Seemed like a guinely nice guy. Caruso was there as well, but he didn't have much to say. He was probably high as a kite at the time.

You can use fake email adresses, that works fine. Of course if you use an incredibly obvious one there's a chance that someone else has already used it and your votes won't count.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 15, 2006 -> 01:40 PM) Consider this a McDonalds wake up call to Agustin Montero and Cliff Politte. Worst reference in recent Soxtalk history?

QUOTE(SoxFan76 @ Jun 15, 2006 -> 01:06 PM) It's no secret that Maddux got 6 inches off the plate for most of his career, and Questec isn't going to help matters. However, I look at a guy like Tom Glavine who is having a great year...and it makes you wonder how much Questec really does effect the game. Hyperbole? If he were getting 6 inches off the corner he'd of thrown about 10 perfect games by now.

So does this mean Montero will be optioned to Charlotte when/if Politte comes back? QUOTE(sircaffey @ Jun 15, 2006 -> 01:07 PM) With the current state of the bullpen, many would welcome Marte back with open arms. That's not such a bad thing right now...If its true... Right now I'd take every pitcher in our pen over Marte. He has no place here.

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Jun 15, 2006 -> 01:04 PM) It's not a matter of knowing baseball. It's a matter of knowing the English language. And it's quite obviously a verb to you, not to everyone. Well, if you don't understand "optioned" as a baseball term then you obviously don't follow baseball all that closely and would probably have no interest in Tracey being sent down to Charlotte.

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Jun 15, 2006 -> 01:02 PM) The word 'optioned' could be construed as an adjective. If you don't understand Baseball, yes that is true. However "optioned" is quite obviously a verb in the article.

Wow, there is just about no downside to this trade. If Riske is healthy he's a great reliever, awesome start to the trading season KW.

Offman just confirmed it.

QUOTE(3E8 @ Jun 15, 2006 -> 11:39 AM) Is it contingent on a physical You'd think it would be considering the current condition of his back.

SoSH has nothing on it either.