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QUOTE(RockRaines @ Nov 14, 2005 -> 09:13 AM) I didnt feel like reading through 5 pages of posts, but let me see if I picked up the summary of this thread. The Phils asked about a GG CF who was probably the best hitter on his team, who has a career OPS of .811, who almost consistantly puts up around 30 hr's and 100 RBI every year. And YOU guys assume that they would be interested in a player who has no GG's is coming off of a year in which he was a pedestrian hitter just because they happen to play the same position? Is that about right? If the Phils were going to trade Abreu for A-row it would go down as one of the biggest one sided trades in recent history. Bobby Abreu is a right fielder.

QUOTE(Soxpranos @ Nov 12, 2005 -> 04:23 PM) Rowand dint light up the offesive stats... He is solid on D, but if any player is trade bait, it is him. Pods can play a very good CF himself if needed.. Abreu would be perfect for the Sox, and if we keep Paulie , we would be a much better team ten fold than with Rowand. No, no he can not.

QUOTE(Whitesoxfan56 @ Nov 12, 2005 -> 03:44 PM) I never said that Pierre was a better defensive player then Rowand. The fact is when you look at the player as a whole, Pierre is better then Rowand, and there is no way around that For my money I'll take Rowand, but that's me. I don't see the need for another leadoff hitter, I'm not convinced he's the kind of guy that could bat second and by acquiring him and letting Row go, you downgrade the defense big time. Pierre is a better avg/obp hitter and has way more speed than Rowand. However Rowand will be much cheaper, much better defensively and give you more pop.

Personally I'd rather bring in Delgado as opposed to Abreu. But when it comes down to Ozzie; Abreu - Venezuelan, with great speed and defense Delgao - Puerto Rican, great power, good D at 1B, no speed

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Nov 12, 2005 -> 01:52 PM) Last year Pods>>>>Pierre. True. But over the course of his career Pierre >>> Pods. And if you are going to trade for another leadoff type in Pierre, you'd probably want him leading off.

QUOTE(VAfan @ Nov 12, 2005 -> 01:42 PM) Why all the love for Abreu? He's a very good ballplayer, but he's way overpriced. $29 million over the next two years, plus a $2 million buyout (instead of another $16 million in 2008). That's obscene. If Abreu were a free agent, this would be too much money. To take it on and still give them a quality player like Aaron Rowand plus a pitcher makes it worse. For $10-12 million/year as a free agent, Abreu would be a very nice fit for the Sox. He could take Everett's slot and be a very big upgrade. I'm sure Ozzie and he would get along very well. All of this also applies to Carlos Delgado who hits better than Abreu but is due $44 million over the next 3 years. Bobby Abreu is a great baseball player. He is as many would call a "five tool player". Imagine a better Magglio Ordonez, Abreu is better defensively than him + a better arm. Bobby has a little less consistent power than Ordonez but makes up with for it with great SB numbers. He consistently puts up 30sb/25hr/100rbi/.300/.400/.500/.900 '06 - $13M '07 - $15M '08 - $16Mteam $2Mbuyout. How is this too much for a player of his caliber? Take a look at his numbers, his contact is not too expensive. Money could also come over from Philly with him if the right players were sent to the Phillies for him. Delgado is due similar money over the next few seasons as Abreu. It really depends o what you want, if Ozzie really wants more speed, he could get 30SB out of the 3 hole with Abreu. Delgado does not bring you any speed.

QUOTE(Whitesoxfan56 @ Nov 12, 2005 -> 01:35 PM) Also, Pierre isnt that bad of an outfielder, he had I think less then 5 errors last year. His arm is really weak compaired to Aarons, but when you compair Aaron and Juans complete game, you can not say aaron is way better then pierre, they both have different things that they excel at. And how can you say Pierre is going to make 7 mil in the offseason? I find that number way to high lol. Yes because when you judge an OFer defensively you use errors. And 5 errors is too many as is. Pierre has one of the worst arms you are ever going to see in CF, the defensive aspect of a Rowand v Pierre arguement is non existent. Rowand blows him out of the water.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Nov 12, 2005 -> 03:03 PM) He had Tommy John Surgery, IIRC, or something to do with his elbow. Yes, it was in fact Tommy John Surgery.

QUOTE(elrockinMT @ Nov 12, 2005 -> 01:13 PM) The Sox need to save their money and sign Konerko and Thmas. We have a solid outfield now. Plus why do some kind of a trade for a player earning way to much when we have Anderson, Borchard and others in wait. Bobby Abreu is a great baseball player with a sensible contract. He's lightyears better than anyone we currently have in the outfield. Any such trade for him would alsmost certainly involve Rowand, so you'd see Anderson in CF next year. It would never happen but I would welcome Abreu into Chicago with open arms.

QUOTE(Whitesoxfan56 @ Nov 12, 2005 -> 10:09 AM) I like this game...since were talking about fantasy lineups heres mine I like yours but here it goes Pods-LF Pierre-CF Abreu-RF/DH PK-1B Dye-DH/RF Iguchi-2B AJ-C Crede-3B Uribe-SS Huge downgrade defensively from Rowand to Pierre. Not to mention the fact that he'll be making atleast $7M next season through arbitration and is then a free agent. I'd still rather have Rowand in CF. Also if you are going to have Pierre in the lineup, he should be leading off, he's a better leadoff hitter than Podsednik.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Nov 11, 2005 -> 10:52 PM) Mariners on verge of signing Jojima http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/updates...p-4825137c.html "Move over Ichiro, you could soon have company. The Seattle Mariners are said to be on the verge of signing Japanese catcher Kenji Jojima. A source said Friday that the Mariners are close to signing Jojima to a two-year contract worth about $8 million with an option for a third season." http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yan...y-yankees-print "Seibu Lions righthander Daisuke Matsuzaka still hopes to pitch in the major leagues this season even after his Japanese League team rejected his request to leave earlier this week. And if Matsuzaka somehow can convince his current employers to reverse course, the Yankees are expected to hotly pursue the pitcher considered by many to be the best in the Japanese League." Kenji Jojima - C - Both the Seattle Post-Intelligencer and the Times are refuting a report that the Mariners and catcher Kenji Jojima are close to terms. As did his agent. "We're not even close," agent Alan Nero said. "We're just dating. Everyone wants us to get married. We're just trying to get to know each other." The two sides are expected to keep flirting today. Meanwhile, the jealous ex, in this case the Fukuoka SoftBank Hawks, is reported to have upped its offer to Jojima to $10 million per year. Nov. 12 - 3:34 am et Source: Seattle Post-Intelligencer

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Nov 12, 2005 -> 04:45 AM) Yay, at 4:45, I'm the only member currently on soxtalk. loser

lol, they may have interest in him but I can almost gaurantee he'd have no interest in them. After all those years of playing for the White Sox, I just don't see Frank going to a rival like that.

Corey Patterson will be going into his second year of arbitration with Scott Boras as his agent. The Marlins will not want him.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Nov 11, 2005 -> 09:30 PM) Crede will get 2.5 max. He won't jump up 3 million from his current contract, I can guarentee that. Garland will receive 6.5 IMHO. I'm assuming Crede is given a 3yr deal. Though you correct in arb. Crede would not realistically jump to $3M+.

I estimated the amounts for these players: Pierz: $4 Crede: $2.5 ARB Gload: $400K Harris: $400K Viz: $1.5 BMac: $400K Cotts: $400K Jenks: $350K Garland: $7 Anderson: $350K Kong: $13M +Delgado: $13.5 The team payroll came out to $99.252M then you could subtract Rowand ($3.25) and Marte's ($2.25) salaries A lot of the $400K players could be less next season.

QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Nov 11, 2005 -> 09:18 PM) Got to figure that the Marlins will pay $3 million of the salary. We also lose Evertt and Thomas who combined made $11 million last year. The $11M was taken into consideration. The figures are extremely realistic becuase the players salaries for the '06 season were used (though some had to be estimated). You can figure in the $3m if you want and it's still over $90M. The actual team payroll came out to $100.605M for next year with Delgado, Kong, Rowand and Marte all added to the payroll.

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Nov 11, 2005 -> 09:06 PM) I believe (just my gut feeling) that the starting point for our payroll is about $90M next year. If we kept Konerko and added Delgado, next years payroll would be roughly $100M (this includes estimated salaries of: Pierz, Crede, Gload, Harris, Viz, BMac, Cotts, Jenks, Garland, Anderson and Konerko) without subtracting any player's salary from the current 25 man roster. subtract rowand's $3.25 and the payroll = $96.75 subtract Rowand and Marte's salaries of ($3.25M + $2.25M) $5.5M and the payroll = $94.5M I really don't see this as being realistic.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Nov 11, 2005 -> 09:02 PM) BOTH?? That would be unreal

QUOTE(Steff @ Nov 11, 2005 -> 05:22 AM) SPORTSMAN, not PR disaster. I'm pretty sure being a good teammate/team player ties into being a great Sportsman.

QUOTE(bulokis @ Nov 11, 2005 -> 08:12 PM) Did Lawton get busted for steroids? yep

Jeromy Burnitz is icky.

I no longer wish to look at Rowand . . .

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Nov 11, 2005 -> 06:04 PM) No, but you seemed to infer that it would. Afterall, this thread is about Rowand. I'm just wondering what D-Backs fans reactions would be like if Tracy had a down year.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Nov 11, 2005 -> 05:54 PM) What Tracy does in 2006 won't have any bearing on what Rowand did in the past or will do in the future. Did I say it would?