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QUOTE (joeynach @ Feb 10, 2011 -> 01:46 AM) Maybe your right. I wasnt sure if its a regular team option that vests if traded, or an option that only exists if he gets traded. Yeah, it only existed if he were traded some time before his 10/5 rights kicked in midway through last season. As of right now (baring a new deal) his contract will 100% end at the following the 2011 season, the Sox control him in no way beyond that point. In lieu of giving him a no trade clause for the '09/'10 season the Sox and Buehrle installed a number of escalators and clauses that kicked in if he were traded, a guaranteed 5th year (2012) was one of those clauses. It was never an "option" per say, just another guaranteed year of pay and since he wasn't traded and his 10/5 rights kicked in on July 15th those clauses are null and void.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Feb 9, 2011 -> 11:52 PM) I know it's almost damn impossible at this point but you guys are about to make this a filibuster thread so be careful. It was a filibuster thread about 5 hours ago, however there's nothing going on in PHT right now so I feel in no way compelled to move it.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Feb 8, 2011 -> 11:39 PM) The last time the Twins won a playoff game, George W Bush was President...and he would be re-elected less than a month later. I had just started my junior year in high school. Barry Bonds had 703 home runs. Jeromy Burnitz finished 8th in the NL in home runs. Should I keep going on? It could be pretty fun. Wait? You mean the same year that New York Yankees right fielder Gary Sheffield finished 2nd in AL MVP voting and a couple of young AL West 3B were showing the game a glimpse of the future with career years: the incomparable Hank Blalock (23, .855 OPS, AS) and the unstoppable Eric Chavez (26, .898 OPS).

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Feb 8, 2011 -> 10:17 PM) Is this right? The White Sox have won more playoff games than the Twins over the past 3 years? And the White Sox have more World Series titles in the past 10 years? But I thought the Twins were one of the top teams in the league! The Sox have twice as many playoff victories in the past 6 years than the Twins do in the past 19.

QUOTE (WhiteSUX @ Feb 8, 2011 -> 11:11 PM) You guys do realize we've been in the playoffs 6 out of the last 9 years. while you have been watching pre-season bears games at hooters sports bar. Alright I'll give you guys the 2005 season but at that time the baseball world was still in shock by the red sox winning the 2004 series. You guys really pulled a fast one on us. What fun is the playoffs when you're being swept by the A's and Yankees?

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Feb 8, 2011 -> 10:17 PM) Is this right? The White Sox have won more playoff games than the Twins over the past 3 years? And the White Sox have more World Series titles in the past 10 years? But I thought the Twins were one of the top teams in the league! Did you know? Joe Mauer has never won a playoff game. True story.

Fantasy baseball has a very loose connection to the actual game. Lots of singles, runs and stolen bases hold a bit more value in the fantasy game. You definitely need to separate the 2.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Feb 8, 2011 -> 12:23 PM) Based on the numerous other pitchers that have had their shoulder muscles detach from the bone. All of them had lost some velocity. This is unlike any other injury we've seen from a pitcher before, no one has ANY idea what he's going to look like when he gets back. There's no precedent for this injury.

Milledge gets $500K if he makes the team, no incentives.

Ramirez extension:

'12: $5M '13: $7M '14: $9.5M '15: $10M '16: $10M TO, $1M BO

It's not often that a move suggested on here actually comes to fruition.

So you're saying it's bad out there?

I've seen a good amount of lightning over the past hour or so, pretty cool.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jan 31, 2011 -> 06:45 PM) Does it state how much he will make each year? I hope it's not backloaded. It will almost undoubtedly be back-loaded but nothing crazy, something like: $6M, $8M, $9M, $9M, $500K buyout. By the 3rd year of Alexei's deal the Sox will only have Rios ($12.5M) and Dunn ($15M) under contract and Alexei's all alone in year 4, Rios has a $13.5M team option that season.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jan 24, 2011 -> 03:40 PM) Watched In Bruges since I was there for a night, really liked the movie, but the city gets a bad rep in it, and is really a great place to visit, even for the young. Would you describe it as a fairytale town?

QUOTE (joeynach @ Jan 21, 2011 -> 12:13 AM) I thought Viciedo's agent was Jamie Torres, I remember hearing that his relationship with the sox from Alexi helped foster the deal with Viciedo. Like Blaze said: he switched to Boras in March That's what Cots says, looks like they added that recently, last time I checked they had no agent listed for Thornton. Agreed

QUOTE (knightni @ Jan 21, 2011 -> 06:43 PM) Is Kyle Drabek included? Neither Rosenthal nor Heyman has mentioned his name.

QUOTE (DBAHO @ Jan 19, 2011 -> 03:43 PM) Hardy as Bane will be very interesting, he'll have to bulk up quite a bit. He certainly showed he was capable of it with his role in Bronson.

QUOTE (joeynach @ Jan 18, 2011 -> 09:55 PM) We basically have the same thing Kalapse. Only that I have added 6 Pre-Arb player contracts at $410k a piece, that how I got to about $125.16M. I actually just discovered that the league minimum (Pre-Arb) salary is going to rise to $414.5K in 2011, source here. I guess my salary total is really $125.184M. The only discrepancy I have, which is dumb really, is that I have De Aza playing time at 2.042 and you have at 1.041. My source is here Like I said: take the service time numbers with a grain of salt, none of the websites have updated the service numbers yet, that De Aza number on Cots doesn't take into a account the 2010 season. It's pretty easy to figure out yourself (I just haven't done the work) De Aza was at 2.042 at the time he was recalled on September first and stayed through the end of the season earning him about 33 days of service so his true service number is probably 2.075. Chris Sale was up for about 41 days so he's at 0.041 Viciedo was up for about 62 days then demoted in August and recalled again on September 7th through the end of the season which is another 27 days so his number is around 0.089 Flowers was at 0.034 before September first when he was recalled, add on another 33 days and he's at 0.067 Harrell was up for a day then demoted then recalled again on August 25th through the end of the year which puts him at 0.041 Gregory Infante logged 33 days so 0.033 Brent Lillibridge was at 0.162, was recalled on June 1st and stayed through the end of the season which is 125 days so: 0.162 + 0.125 = 1.115 (0.172 = 1.000) Jeff Marquez logged 2 or 3 days in the majors last season, really doesn't matter. Brent Morel picked up about 31 days so 0.031 Phil Humber logged 60 or so major league service days last season from August 5th to October 3rd and was supposedly at 0.112 so that would push him to 1.000 (the margin of error is probably 2 days so this one is tricky) These numbers should be accurate to within a day or 2 (since we don't know precisely what time of day each player was recalled, believe it or not this does matter) unless I totally missed something, I just prefer to wait for the official numbers. And like I said: I just don't think minimum contract mean much, if you try to keep it that accurate you'll be befuddled by the all star break. So with the updated service numbers AND newly updated option years:

QUOTE (joeynach @ Jan 18, 2011 -> 06:40 PM) I have 26 guys on my White Sox Payroll sheet, basically becuase of Lillibridge and De Aza, both will make the 2011 league minimum, which is set at 410K for 2011. Its possible only 1 makes the roster, but its possible that both make the roster and Viciedo starts in AAA, in which case all 3 guys salaries count for 2011 payroll since Viciedo's is guaranteed. So I included all 3 salaries towards payroll. My calculations have the White Sox committed at $125.16M to 26 players for 2011. This includes: Buehrle (14M) + Peavy (16M) + Jackson (8.35M) + Danks (6M) + Floyd (5M) + Sale (.41M) + Santos (.41M) + Thornton (3M) + Crain (4M) + Pena (1.6M) + Ohman (1.5M) + Castro (1.2M) + AJ (2M) + Vizquel (1.75M) + Viciedo (1.25M) + Morel (.41M) + Beckham (.41M) + Ramirez (2.75M) + Lillibridge (.41M) + Konerko (12M) + Teahen (4.75M) + Quentin (5.05M) + Rios (12M) + Pierre (8.5M) + De Aza (.41M) + Dunn (12M) This includes the break even money coming in for Pierre (+3.5M) and the money going out for Linebrink (-3.5M). 2011 Payroll Commitments + Money In/Money Out= $125.16 (26 Players) I wouldn't even bother with players making the minimum, every team's going to have at least 4 on their opening day roster and maybe 4+ more through August making the prorated minimum. This just becomes convoluted when you go that deep.

Here's what my personal spreadsheet looks like. Any service time in blue is updated, the rest are not, take the options with a grain of salt as I haven't updated them yet. I'll update the main graphic once the service times show up online, it's just a lot more work than and Excel spreadsheet.

Buehrle 14 Castro 1.2 Crain 4 Danks 6 Dunn 12 Floyd 5 Jackson 8.35 Konerko 12 Ohman 1.5 Peavy 16 Pena 1.6 Pierre 8.5 Pierz 2 Quentin 5.05 Ramirez 2.75 Rios 12 Teahen 4.75 Thornton 3 Viciedo 1.25 Vizquel 1.75 Total 122.7 Pierre -3.5 Lineb 3.5 Payroll 122.7

Teahen just got married, I somehow doubt he was hanging out with Cora and the kids in Miami during his honeymoon.