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QUOTE(kapkomet @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 05:31 PM) I think KW just got his clock cleaned... by Detoilet no less... 3 more f***ing wins gets us out of the top 3 in the 08 draft. Now our rotten minor league system cant get us s*** because its so barren. 90 losses might be something we see for a while on the southside.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 05:28 PM) It actually was part of the article that started this thread. I have a feeling that "announcement" has been canceled. Maybe we can entice them with Broadway, the guy we drafted because he would be quick to the majors and be a trading chip for a team going for a championship.

QUOTE(whitesox61382 @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 05:17 PM) I am not saying the asking price is too much, in fact, I am saying the complete opposite in terms of talent alone(great deal for the Sox). However, you win championships with pitching and in most cases pitching that you develop. I am not saying that Danks or Gio are going to be future aces, but they project to be key members of the Sox rotation next year. The Sox currently have Danks, Gio, Broadway, Floyd, and Egbert fighting for 2 spots. Having 5 decent options will give the Sox a better chance of finding 1-2 guys that can be solid starters at the major league level(classic law of averages). Furthermore, it gives them options if the 1st or 2nd guy they pick doesn't pan out. By trading away 2-3 of these guys you are essentially putting all your eggs in one basket and saying that the 2 guys that are left after this trade are the #4 and #5 starters, and if they don't pan out than the Sox are out of luck and in for a long season(no matter how many runs they score). Finally, you have to factor in the contract that Cabrera will likely get. If a 32 year old Hunter is worth 18M/yr, than how much is a 26 year old Cabrera going to be worth 2 years from now? 25M/yr? 30M/yr? Unless the Sox have the payroll of the Yankees or Red Sox, they can't afford to have 1/5th of their payroll tied up in one player. Texas proved that point after they signed ARod, who is probably a better all around player than Cabrera. Who many winning seasons did ARod produce in Texas, yet alone playoff teams? The unfortunate fact of the matter is that fans are often blinded by the prospects of getting a great player, and they tend to throw logic by the wayside. If you are interested in watching a great player on a daily basis, than by all means encourage a trade for Cabrera that includes 2/5th of the Sox projected rotation. If you are interested in watching the Sox make another ran at a championship, than be happy that the Sox will likely not land Cabrera and hope that KW has a couple solid moves left in his pocket to address the remaining weaknesses(ala 2005). We were a 70ish million dollar team in 05, that had to flip guys like Lee to have financial flexibility to get multiple players. We are now a 100+ million dollar team. Please dont compare the two teams, or use the reasoning well it worked in 05 so it will work in 08. Times are different, and we are not a mid market team. I will state that the sum of the parts we would of given up, will never account the for impact that Cabrera will have in his lifetime. You can build a championship around Cabrera. We won in 05 on outstanding pitching, and getting hot with our bats in the postseason. With the current team and the addition of Cabrera to a potent Detroit offense. I dont see how we compete and get into the playoffs. You might as well just rip it apart and start over.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 05:15 PM) ESPN just reported that the White Sox are supposed to make an announcement regarding Cabrera.... It will be congrats to the Tigers for getting one of the best hitters in baseball.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 05:10 PM) Props to the Tigers. They see this is their window with Maggs-Sheff-Pudge all getting older. They are going for it all for next few years. That farm system is completely ripped apart now. 2007 Detroit Tigers Prospects 1. Cameron Maybin, OF, Grade A- (outstanding overall prospect, just needs to cut strikeouts) 2. Andrew Miller, LHP, Grade A- (throws hard, usually throws strikes, extreme ground ball pitcher) 3. Eulogio De La Cruz, RHP, B- (can hit 100 MPH but still learning how to pitch) 4. Jair Jurrjens, RHP, B- (Good arm but will need additional time) 5. Gorkys Hernandez, OF, B- (very toolsy, young, strong GCL numbers) 6. Jeff Larish, 1B, B- (plenty of power and patience, but is his swing too long?) 7. Scott Sizemore, 2B, B- (should hit for average at all levels) 8. Brent Clevlen, OF, C+ (which is the real Clevlen? I don't know) 9. Jordan Tata, RHP, C+ (Should be an average pitcher in any role) 10. Dallas Trahern, RHP, C+ (Good power sinker, low strikeout rate a concern) 11. Jonah Nickerson, RHP, C+ (polished college star lacks plus stuff) 12. Mike Holliman, SS, C+ (outstanding secondary skills but was old for the level) 13. Brennan Boesch, OF, C+ (promising college hitter from '06 draft) 14. Ronnie Bourquin, 3B, C+ (promising college hitter from '06 draft) 15. Tony Giarratano, SS, C (looks like he'll be a utility guy, health an issue) 16. Brett Jensen, RHP, C (throws strikes, projects as middle man) 17. Brendan Wise, RHP, C (another ground ball pitcher, a possible sleeper) 18. Matt Joyce, OF, C (A-ball performance was disappointing) 19. Chris Cody, LHP, C (doesn't throw hard, good command) 20. Virgil Vasquez, RHP, C (doesn't throw hard, good command) Sickels review of their prospects.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 05:09 PM) Because that's so much better and more intimidating than the lineups the Yankees have trotted out the past 5 years. Compare the Yanks pitching staff over the last few years to the one that the Tigers trot out and reassess the issue.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 05:07 PM) I would -- ESPN just said it's a done deal to be officially announced later tonight. Well start to unload then. Because we are not competing with that lineup for the next few years.

QUOTE(CanOfCorn @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 05:06 PM) Yes, but once MLB.com picked it up...that's GOT to be close. Well we were close to signing Torii and that was up on MLB.com

QUOTE(max power @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 05:06 PM) Well it was also before the tigers (potentially) unloaded 6 guys. They could unload 6 guys and still rank 15 spots higher than the sox.

Burn the farm down, whatever it takes get Cabrera. If we have to face him with Maggs, Shefield, and the rest we are f***ed.

QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 05:01 PM) OUCH! Kudos to the Tigers...and this honestly should make KW consider becoming a seller more than a buyer. The Sox are more f***ed now than they were 20 minutes ago. Well dont worry, the championship pitching that people are afraid to give up can give up homer after homer in the cell to him next year. Cabrera >>> everything we have

QUOTE(whitesox61382 @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 04:58 PM) I see, so you want the Sox to become the Texas Rangers when they had ARod? Giving up the future and present for one great player doesn't put championship banners on the flag pole, but I guess watching one great player is more exciting for the casual fan. In all seriousness, doesn't pitching and defense win championships? And how exactly are you looking at what we are supposedly giving up and saying ....hell I will hedge my bets with that because thats what a championship is built around. I like Danks. I like Gio. But those 2 dont scream championship. If we can get this done, and not give up DLS. s*** its a steal. DLS >>>> Danks or Gio.

QUOTE(kwolf68 @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 04:55 PM) I can't imagine we could get this done...no way no how. I can't imagine other teams can't easily eclipsed what the Sox are offering. I'd ... if we could get Cabrera for Fields, Gio, and Floyd. Adding Danks in there instead of Floyd is tough to swallow, but probably still a worthy move. That trade would turn out to be Bmac+Garcia+Fields for Cabrera. LOL I love it. Whatever it takes. Burn it down, you can rebuild around him. 24 Year old hitters like this dont grow on trees.

QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 04:54 PM) Remember how close we were supposedly to trading for Soriano last year, for it to only be a plant? There was no quotes like this with Soriano. It was more conjecture on our part of wishing we would of picked him up at the deadline in 06.

QUOTE(Colorado Sox Fan @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 04:42 PM) Don't get me wrong, I like this deal. But what happened to the mantra of pitching and defense? Looks like you guys will be in for some long nights at US Cellular. Would they consider Cabrera for left? Didn't he used to play there? Who cares what he plays, put his ass in a sox uni and let him hit here. Do you have any concept of what type of hitter this is, and what type of damage he could cause here. Holy s***. If this is all that it costs go for it. He is younger than Fields and you could surround him for a long time. This would be an awesome move.

QUOTE(GoSox05 @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 03:04 PM) No I said Chavez not Castro. Two different people. Different countries. Are you sure that they are two different people. Their ideology looks pretty similar.

QUOTE(GoSox05 @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 02:55 PM) My opinion on Chavez has nothing to do with reaction. I just don't buy into the whole "he's a evil dictator trying to eat small children" thing. I think he run's a different kind of goverment than America. It's also a different kind of country. From everything I've read, from first hand accounts he's done some great things. I am sure you are confused on why that Castro cat gets such a bad rap. Hey Michael Moore likes his health care, so he cant be half bad.

QUOTE(CanOfCorn @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 02:39 PM) Agreed, but Rogers is OLD and Miller, well, isn't. Perfect replacement because this may be the last year for Rogers. Plus, just like the Angels fans didn't like dealing away O-Cab because of what he brings to the clubhouse, replacing Inge might do the same thing. I'm just saying that the Tigers have a good core NOW...dealing away Miller and Maybin, to me, would mess up their chances in the near future. Take a gander at their farm system, they can replace those within. They have Porcello who is a good enough prospect in their system, as well as many others. The Tigers are a prospect rich system that has paid overslot for some good talent. They have the ability to make this move and still not be affected overall.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 02:09 PM) I don't think that is the case at all. Quentin's stock is significantly low right now, and the Sox need a LF. It wouldn't shock me in the least to see him traded once healthy, but I think Carlos will stick around. Love this move. Nice to see some movement. It makes us better, younger for cheap. You cant beat that combination.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Dec 2, 2007 -> 11:52 PM) Do I detect jealousy from you? 'Cause I am a little jealous -- I wish our system had something to offer, and big bucks to spend (from free agents to draft picks) and whenever big players like Santana, Bedard, Cabrera become available...we can't get them? It hurts. Its also rare to have so many quality impact players available at the same time. 2 of the best left handers, Haren is supposedly available. Cabrera you can use as a centerpiece. Yet our barren minor leagues can get the job done. Bedard is a Kenny target. He has tried a few times to inquire on a trade. We just dont have the horses to complete it.

QUOTE(yoyozuna @ Dec 2, 2007 -> 10:29 AM) Just a fun question here! My nephews loved that damn cardboard cut out. I think they should set up two of them: Put Owens on one for the kids and have a second one that rotates between Konerko, Thome, and AJ for the adults and the intoxicated! If you really want to motivate people put Pods wife on there. Her in a bikini piloting a wheel-barrel filled with money. Then put "This is what you can achieve if you apply yourself. Bulls/Sox academy" 2 weeks later every boy that visits that will have their parents convinced to send them to the bulls/sox academy. The place will be sold out.

QUOTE(GreenSox @ Dec 2, 2007 -> 10:44 PM) You don't give talent like Russell or Phillips for a platooner. You think that Phillips is worth something?

QUOTE(Beltin'Bill @ Dec 2, 2007 -> 09:36 PM) Insight? Not being a smart alec, but I have heard a lot of points to offer concern over Jones, including: -Young in age, but not time served. His body has already experienced over 10 years of service time -One of the more overrated center fielders over the past few years. Does not get to nearly the number of balls he used to and has been handed GG the past few years based on reputation alone -heavier than in years past -feasts on average/mediocre pitching -has really gone for the long ball swing (see last year's numbers) I am too lazy/busy to look this stuff up, but I was hoping someone could refute the negativity. Sounds like Boras might be having trouble doing the same but maybe I am not reading enough articles. I am not an INsider, you know. I think the fielding stats by John Dewan say that Andru is the best Centerfielder. So its not just by reputation alone.

QUOTE(dasox24 @ Dec 2, 2007 -> 08:57 PM) Glad to hear you got a chance to see Knoxville. It's my home for 9 months out of the year. I'd say we sorta like our football around here, haha... How'd ya like it? You get a chance to eat out or go to any bars while there? Where'd ya stay? On a side note, I was in Atlanta for the SEC championship game, and that game is Reason #1 why the Bears should not draft Erik Ainge. He sucks. Never plays well against good teams. I've tried to defend him before, while being critical... But now? He just sucks, and is the reason LSU is going to the National Championship rather that the Capitol One Bowl. F U Ainge!!!!!!! I am just outside of Knoxville in Morristown Tn. We have a plant there. I have been here since Friday. My trip so far has had me in Atlanta on Wednesday, I drove from Atlanta to just north of Bristol, VA on Thursday, and now back into Morristown. This is my second time in the area, the last time I also stopped down in Gatlinburg and got my picture at Cooter's garage next to the General Lee. Skipped the Dollyworld experience thought, lol. I have to say, some of the nicest people are in the area and my trip has been filled with some very nice hospitality. On Monday afternoon, I return home. Its been a lot of driving, a lot of hard work. I cant wait to go home.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Dec 2, 2007 -> 08:38 PM) I'm definitely in the minority here but I'd like Santana to stay in Minnesota, just because it's where he belongs. I believe in franchise players, even in free agency, and I think it's a travesty that the Twins and the Fans and the city will lose Johan Santana because Pohlad is super stingy. That's f***ed up. I am a whitesox fan. I hope that every marquee player on every AL Central team moves on to the National League. Hopefully CC finds his way to the NL next year as well. Thats a whole lot of guaranteed losses out of our season right there.