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For a player that didn't even make it to the majors.

Anybody know where I can find them online? I'm looking for some stats that are almost 10 years old.

Damn, you beat me to it.

...And there's where you lose credibilty.

Uribe at 25 is undoubtedly a better shortstop than Vizquel at 38.

Uribe had a better fielding pecentage with higher range factor and zone rating at SS than Vizquel, chuckles. :fyou

This is just me trying to defend Grilli from Jeckle's incessant attacks, not me trying to argue that Grilli is more talented. If you were to compare their starting stats without a name attached, you'd be hard pressed to select the better pitcher.

So? Diaz dodged a loss his first appearance thanks to a 3-run Konerko home run in heavy downpour.

I worded that poorly. I should've said that people harping on Grilli not having a quality start is getting old. Half of his starts just missed quality status. 6 IP, 4 ER 5 2/3 IP, 3 ER 6 1/3 IP, 4 ER 8 IP, 4 ER I'm not advocating using him as the fifth starter, but the guy deserves some credit. If for nothing else than plunking Torii Hunter in the back with a fastball the first game he faced him.

If Diaz was given all the chances Grilli had? Did you even read my post? Grilli got one more start than Diaz. I don't really see how those AAA stats are relavent either, unless you're trying to tell me there's a negative correlation between the majors and minors. Diaz's ERA as a starter was over 8 in the majors. As long as he did well in Charlotte though, right? He was great out of the pen, that's where he should stay. He's not ready to be put back into the rotation yet.

Awesome.

There are still plenty of sites around.

OMGWTF DATE'd

Diaz had 7 starts, Grilli had 8. Grilli was one out away from a quality start on one occasion, 1 ER over the limit on two other occasions, and threw 8 innings giving up 4 ER in a seperate occasion. The quality start thing is getting really old. The Sox went 4-4 in games which Grilli started. I realize that Diaz was exceptional out of the pen, so why move him back to the rotation where he'll just s*** himself again? He can be very effective for the Sox next year in long relief.

He had a higher ERA as a starter than Grilli.

Perhaps? I'm sorry, for two years of s***, I'm not satisfied with a perhaps.

If we don't sign a fifth starter we still will not be further than 5 games out of first at the break.

You could almost call them that.

Las Vegas.

He's still an ass. "But general manager Ken Williams shortchanged [Clement]" - Refusing to pay $8+ million a year to a question mark like Matt Clement with a $65-$75 million budget isn't called shortchanging. I'm leaning towards reasonable. "failed to sign the only remaining free-agent pitcher capable of major impact" - Odalis Perez, Derek Lowe, Kevin Millwood. Is Clement really that much better than these guys? And Clement must be told beforehand if he is expected to make 'major impact'. His agent told me he's not very comfortable with that. "If the Sox had given Clement an extra $5 million and Vizquel an extra year and $3 million, they would have a quality No. 3 starter behind Freddy Garcia and Mark Buehrle and a fielding wizard to anchor the infield" - What ever will we do without the defensive prowess and wizardry of an aging player who would've been 40 to start the last year of his contract? Oh wait. Uribe is a better defensive shortstop than Vizquel, and 13 years younger. And we locked him up for a few years too? Nice. I just hope KW decides to spend some of that saved payroll and not sit on it going into the season. We could patch up at least one if not two of our holes, and Mariotti would have to eat his words, not that there's any chance he would, of course.

Except that Cairo excels against lefties, where Willie is worthless.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/aggreg...t=0&season=2004 This link has Minnesota leading all three, and has the Sox with an ERA over 5 at home. This is just the AL I'm talking about...

We were dead last in home ERA. Seventh in road ERA. Twelfth overall. Minnesota lead all three categories.

I'd like to compare it with teams that didn't play in a launching pad.

Can somebody tell me what our team ERA was on the road in 2004?