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Leddy only played 4 shift about 2 1/2 minutes of ice time. Only 5 defense men bulk of the game.

Hawks attacking Bickle off the crossbar Sharp rebound good chances. Oops wrong thread .

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Jun 19, 2013 -> 07:05 PM) i was hoping to watch a nice complete Blackhawks blowout win tonight. now i have this. Damn good game . Hawks PK dropping so far back ,not aggressive at all . Lucky it's not tied. Kelly missed wide open tap in but was pressured from behind.

Danks you get picked off again I will hunt you down

Atta boy getting close to .250

Dunn refusing to take the walk that was offered to him. Pick him up PK.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 18, 2013 -> 06:33 PM) Can anyone describe what happened that inning? Looks like some bad base running. Ground ball scored the run but Flowers thrown out in run down between 2nd and 3rd while De Aza advanced to 2nd. Alexei ground ball up the middle no chance to throw him out De Aza caught rounding 3rd thrown out trying to get back.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 18, 2013 -> 02:25 PM) It has been said 1000 times, but it bears repeating. No Rios=no chance to compete in 2014. You can survive without Peavy, arguably, because of the starting pitching depth that we have, and the fact that his salary can be replaced by another bat. If you're going out to buy Rios' contribution on the FA market, you're just as likely to get burned as not, if you look at recent history with acquisitions like Swisher, Keppinger or Dunn. It's been said 1000 time with you saying it 999 times but one player does not damn the 2014 season no matter how you look at it. Next year might be damned anyway . Realistically looking to compete in 2015 after Dunn is gone unless by some miracle we can dump him this year. I really hate to punt on 2014 , I mean really hate it, but keeping Rios seriously puts a dent in the payroll and payroll flexibility is more important than Rios . You just said Peavy's salary can be replaced by a bat .Throw in Rios salary and maybe now you have 2 bats for 2014 so why is Rios bat so important if we can get one for Peavy and another for Rios ?

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 18, 2013 -> 02:22 PM) Rios' contract is good now. He's repeating his career year last year and is under contract for one more year plus an option at $12.5m per year. Over the past ten years, free agent market rates usually pay $5-7m per WAR. Rios is a 3-4 WAR OF being paid like a 2 WAR OF on a short term contract in which the second year is a team option. Which is why I said it's not as bad as it used to appear because his last 1 1/2 yrs. have been good, but a team getting him is still taking on approx $25 milion and if some contenders are on his 6 team list it makes it even harder. Also a clause that adds .5 million if traded though that's basically meaningless.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 18, 2013 -> 02:09 PM) At least if it were me in that chair, I'd take the best offer I could get for Peavy, Crain, and Thornton. Rios I'd take plenty of phone calls on, but he'd be the guy I'd have a threshold on; I'd want something really good in return for him. Reed, Alexei would fit in that boat as well. Rios has a clause in his contract with 6 teams he can't be traded to along with his history of inconsistency plus his contract which isn't as bad as it used to be but still might be a detriment to some teams. I'm still looking to slash payroll there and wouldn't expect very much in return . Package him with Peavy in a whopper trade and we'll see.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 18, 2013 -> 02:02 PM) Personally I think Peavy is much more likely to be dealt than Rios just on the grounds that the Sox have obvious starting pitchers sitting there and zero obvious OF's to step in for Rios next year. Not having an arm injury is helpful. You can always sell the point that being off 4-6 weeks kept his arm fresher but there's still a chance you're pushing the trade deadline with his 1st few starts otherwise I would've listed Peavy ahead of Rios.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jun 18, 2013 -> 01:51 PM) Well, because no one here has any f'in' clue what Hahn's plan is. I am sure his plan was to let the season play out, hopefully come July the SOX are in a position to add a piece here or there and be a contender through September. Clearly that is not going to happen unless the SOX roll of 25 of 30 again, which is nearly impossible. I doubt the SOX trade much pitching. I like Reed alot, but as others have noted, if someone wants to pay a king's ransom for him, it is hard to ignore. Relievers are relievers, and while he looks primed to be a good one for awhile, they are somewhat replaceable. If someone wants to send you a player who can be plugged into the everyday lineup and produce for years to come, it is hard to ignore. We will all find out soon enough what Hahn's plan is. I think the most likely scenario is that the players who have contracts expiring at the end of this year will be moved (sans Paulie, for a multitude of reasons, one being no one will want him at this point), and the others will stay. Hahn will try to land a fish or two in the FA market (give me Morales and/or McCann or Granderson) and try again in 2014. One player who is not close to free agency that I could see moved is De Aza. I think his lazy defensive play is starting to wear a little thin with the organization, and if the SOX can get a team to give up a decent piece, he will be moved. Problem is that no one is really ready to take over the CF slot for 2014, but heck, let Thompson, Walker and Mitchell battle it out, even though none are ready. Let Danks get the abs for the rest of 2013 if De Aza is moved. Granderson could be an option in CF, but his days in CF are numbered and he doesn't exactly fit the type of player the SOX need (high OBP, high average), but he is decent buy low candidate. I think it's reasonable to assume Crain will be gone for sure. After that Rios then Peavy but I wouldn't be shocked if neither got dealt. considering the contracts and Peavy's injury. If the Sox get rid of those 3 I will consider the plan started and the trades to be a success no matter who we get back within reason.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jun 18, 2013 -> 01:40 PM) Just thinking here Let's say we could get Martin from Texas somehow as our CF, involving a SP or Rios And you can also get Tabata from PIT in an Alexei deal And OAK will give you Reddick maybe? He's having a s***ty year. Not sure whether they've given up on him or not, but Beane knows our system, maybe DeAza goes there with a prospect or something? OAK may be able to take their division this year. If you can pull that stuff off you've got 4 OF for 3 spots including Viciedo, with Dunn's DH AB available whenever you want, so you take some shots. That would be a pretty athletic OF though. Best case scenario is freeing up payroll and getting some talent but many folks here will be disappointed when the names we get back don't match the names we give up. Just have to keep in mind that slashing payroll will be the key and adding some upside talent that's near ML ready or a year or 2 away even if we're not familiar with the names. The beginning of a plan will start soon enough , the bulk of it comes in the off season.

Sox need to do something like the Red Sox did last year even if it sounds impossible. Red Sox got rid of Beckett, Crawford and Gonzales just to free up money. I think anyone looking for much talent will probably be disappointed. Greg if you are looking for a plan that might be it. Free up as much money as possible and go to work in the off season.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jun 18, 2013 -> 08:56 AM) Do they need more than Rios? We have a lot of players. I know they've been dicking around with a couple of their better pitchers, bullpen to rotation, etc. I'm pretty against trading either Q or Santiago but a team with that much talent in the minor might be able to come up with a package of MLB-ready players to make me think about something pretty hefty, like a Q/Hector + Rios package. But that would take a LOT, because I absolutely love Q & have warmed up more to Hector who I already liked anyway. My original plan included Peavy and Rios to TX but Peavy got hurt shortly after my original proposal so depends how soon and how strong he comes back . I still think it could happen since TX. might be in desperation mode seeing it's WS window closing especially if Cruz gets suspended. Sox best chance to get the most talent is a blockbuster .

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jun 18, 2013 -> 08:53 AM) If do a deal with Pittsburgh they have Jose Tabata. Not really a "build around" kind of player but comes with cost certainty & would give us a "plug-in" type should we trade Rios. BTW holy s*** at Jason Grilli's numbers. My GOD. Who saw that coming? We had him once ya know. Damn KW, should have been psychic & held onto him. The Biogenesis scandal could really benefit the Sox. Unfortunately I think baseball does nothing before the trade deadline for fear of overshadowing the All-Star game.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jun 18, 2013 -> 08:41 AM) I might like something involving Cincy. They're definitely in full win now mode & their farm has been producing some nice players. For the right situation we should be open to packaging players, like an OF + relievers, a setup man + a closer, 2 relievers, etc. I'm looking more at TX. especially if Nelson Cruz gets suspended in the Biogenesis scandal, but so far nothing's come of it.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 18, 2013 -> 08:28 AM) I'm going to have to watch the video/replays. Just going off the reaction of Farmer and DJ because I just got back to the US and haven't decided whether to depress myself with MLB.com for just one month before I go to Africa. At any rate, both DJ and Farmer were ALL OVER Dunn and Ramirez. Wonder why/how they both misread those plays? In the case of Quintana's throw, if the runner's caught between 2nd and 3rd, you absolutely have to get him running back towards 2B quickly or the runner from first can at least move up into scoring position on the play. If executed properly, that runner's always going to stay at 1B for fear of making two outs on one combined bad base-running play. Maybe Farmer and DJ are blind and should know you don't make the 3rd out of the inning at 3rd base and after all we're talking about Adam Dunn not some speed demon. Dunn gets gunned and the Sox lose that game.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Jun 18, 2013 -> 04:13 AM) One of the Talking Heads at ESPN listed a few candidates to be traded, and he had Crain at the top of the list. This was during the Sunday night game, I believe. What can we get for him? Crain is having a phenomenal year but hard to say what we could get for him. I'd imagine he will be the most sought after Sox so we will be fielding offers from maybe 5-10 different teams.

Take a look at the standings in both leagues between now and the trade deadline. Any team within 5 games of a wild card birth with good position player prospects or young major leaguers. TX., Cinn., Pitts., St.L, . Odds of trading with NL slightly higher than AL.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 18, 2013 -> 08:10 AM) Just last night, in the game.... 1) Gimenez making another horrible defensive play, when a decent throw and the runner's out by a country mile. 2) Alexei Ramirez botching a simple rundown play that SHOULD HAVE BEEN PRACTICED IN SPRING TRAINING 100 TIMES and allowing a runner to get from 1st to 2nd. There's just no excuse for that kind of mental mistake. Little Leaguers do it more proficiently. 3) Luckily Viciedo came through with the big triple...but, previously in that inning, Dunn should have gone from 1st to 3rd on the Konerko single up the middle. No excuses. He has to get to third. Then he would have scored to tie it up on the Gillaspie ball to the right side of the diamond. Every game. you can point out NUMEROUS errors like this. I wouldn't mind if they lost and were simply outplayed, it's just hard to stomach and mind-numbing how many mistakes can be made with no consequences. Did you see that PK single ? No way does Dunn go to 3rd on that even with 2 outs. Dunn had every right to believe the Stros SS would knock that ball down but somehow he didnt. It wasnt hit hard at all went through the pitchers legs and some how ,some way the SS didnt touch it even though he was there. Any kind of minimal dive and he smothers it. He bent over reaching to his left but missed it.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 17, 2013 -> 09:31 PM) Sale (imo) goes nowhere unless Mike Trout, Bryce Harper, Manny Machado or Buster Posey are coming back. I know the injury risk. But f*** it. You just gotta cross your fingers and hope for the best. Elite, cost-controlled, or in Sale's case, team-friendly contracts such as the one he just signed are by far the most valuable commodity in the new-modern age of baseball. Which is why I asked for way more than the original proposal.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jun 17, 2013 -> 04:15 PM) I have no idea what Quenneville's issues are with Stalberg ( effort , not enough hitting) but am glad he is back in there. The Hawks advantage is speed and playing Bollig was playing into Boston's hand. Having Handzus and Bollig playing key roles is suspect. Go with the guys who got you to this point and stick with them. The game 2 loss is squarely on Coach Q especially after 3 OT's and having fresh legs like Stalberg's available. Handzus 0 for 10 on face offs .

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 17, 2013 -> 08:09 PM) Yeah I'd make that deal Gotta get more than that .Throw in Leonys Martin and another minor leaguer.

Jessie not regressing to the mean just yet.