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QUOTE (RockRaines @ Aug 11, 2008 -> 05:24 PM) Well, PTBL usually arent show stoppers. No, because they're usually low-minors guys. But they can still be good prospects. wite's already pointed out one possibility in Parker, and thinking about this deal, it wouldn't make much sense for the Reds to deal Dunn unless they get him. The two picks he'll bring are worth more than Buck + filler.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Aug 11, 2008 -> 05:03 PM) I equate what they gave up for Dunn about what we gave up for Griffey IMO. Borderline guys, the main one being a TJ surgery guy. That's the only one we know about, unless you have some news. We can't even say he's "the main one".

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 11, 2008 -> 05:49 PM) no, I was merely stating that they do have players that are good. I would be a little surprised if they dealt away Parker, but they could figure that with Haren, Webb, and Scherzer all hanging around that they have the ability to deal him away. Fair enough, but presumably whoever WU was listening to was only talking about impact players who could be traded for Dunn. It's just understood that Scherzer isn't part of the discussion. But, yeah, I would agree with you on the big point that you can't say they gave up nothing. Parker would be one, and if they're getting the two picks for Dunn, I can see it happening.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 11, 2008 -> 05:43 PM) Jarrod Parker disagrees...funny too, seeing as how he's in low-A. They already dealt away Chris Carter too; they traded him in the Haren deal. Scherzer is also legitimate as hell too; 2.90 ERA in 31 innings in the majors, 2.70 ERA in 36 innings in the minors to go along with a K/9 of 14.5. Even if he's just a closer of the future, he's got an absolutely dynamic arm. You don't know that they gave up hardly nothing. Scherzer's on the 40-man, though. I don't think they could deal him without slipping him through waivers (which obviously would never happen).

QUOTE (Winning Ugly @ Aug 11, 2008 -> 05:29 PM) Because I live in Phoenix and they got a few impact players left in the minors, and Dallas Buck was the best left of them. The stations out here are stating the other 2 will be 1 from low A and 1 from AA, but nothing that was in the D'Backs future plans. That would be funny if it was the low A kid we gave up for Quentin. They already shipped him to the A's for Haren.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 11, 2008 -> 10:36 AM) I'll go to my grave swearing that Wells was never going to put up those numbers for us. Even if that's true (and I'm not saying it is), he didn't have to be that good. He wasn't a little better than that fifth starter black hole, he was dramatically better. His era+ was 133, our fifth starters put up an era+ somewhere in the mid-70s (Wright, 75; Stewart, 78; Porzio, 72; Cotts, 57). That difference is monstrous, it's like upgrading from a league-average pitcher to Johan in a pretty good year. A good sight less than that, and the Sox still win the division. And it was such a stupid trade, anyway. Ritchie wasn't much better than Wells in 2001. 2000, again, just an average pitcher. You had to go back 3 seasons to 1999 to find a year where he looked like anything special (and even there, the peripherals weren't great). It was one of the worst trades in the last decade in all of baseball, it cost the Sox a division title, and it deserves to be universally and eternally despised.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 11, 2008 -> 10:48 AM) Simple...you have to use forward thinking. 1) We need a starting pitcher (and maybe 2, perhaps Ramirez is one of them) for Contreras and possibly Danks if he tires 2) We almost never enter the open bidding process for a FA pitcher in the offseason 3) When we make an acquisition, it's almost always (see Garcia, Contreras, Vazquez, etc.) a pitcher who we have under contract control or feel very confident we can get to sign a long-term deal 4) Washburn fits this profile...of someone we would keep next year, and even though $10.35 million seems like a lot of money, it's similar to what Contreras was going to receive AND the odds of getting anyone for less (and not having to give them 3-6 years) are minimal at best from the FA market 5) It's KW's style to find an underrated/undervalued pitcher with talent...but not one that we would just "rent" for a couple of months 6) Having them signed through next year gives us payroll certainty but not the commitment to a long-term deal that might blow up in our faces, as most of those contracts (see Zito or Hampton) tend to do So your forward thinking is that Beckett, Webb, Bedard, Lee, Escobar, Harden, etc etc etc will pass through waivers and their respective teams will be willing to deal them to us. God, if only I had thought forward!

You already posted this list in TW, and it didn't make any sense there, either.

QUOTE (knightni @ Aug 10, 2008 -> 05:49 PM) Funny. The Ritchie trade turned into something pretty non-earth shattering. Wells, Fogg and Lowe all ended up sucking in the end. We're judging the whole trade by how the pitchers look now? How about the contributions you could have had from those guys, cheap, that the Sox gave away? Replace the utter crap we rolled out every fifth day in 2003 with Kip Wells throwing 200 innings of 133 era+ ball or anything close to that and we win the division. That's enough by itself for that trade to maintain its reputation as the s***tiest piece of s*** s***ted on Sox fans in as long as I can remember.

We all know the teams interested in Favre, if the Packers want to trade him. But supposing they keep him, who might be interested in Aaron Rodgers? Chiefs? Texans? Jets? (Excluding NFC North teams for obvious reasons.)

No, I think that's a good trade for you. I'm not at all sure Izzy's gonna stick at closer, but if not, you can use that spot on something productive. I think Markakis is a good sight better than Murphy, so I'd be damn happy about that deal.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 28, 2008 -> 06:11 PM) Oh trust me, I agree with you. I was trying to say she wasnt all that. In fact her pics out of her spandex and in normal clothes arent very good either. Blasphemy.

QUOTE (MurcieOne @ Jul 27, 2008 -> 07:30 PM) Where is Dan Bazuin, and why did we spend a 2nd rd pick on him? In camp, and because JA always worries about the line first. "Defensive end Dan Bazuin, on injured reserve all last season with a knee injury, has looked fast to the ball." http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/cs-28...0,7761069.story

QUOTE (lostfan @ Jul 27, 2008 -> 07:03 PM) It's pretty sweet that his extension is based on escalators and de-escalators depending on how well he does as a WR. He'll get about 4 mil a year otherwise. He could make 10 mil a year, but I doubt that. The max is less than $10 mil a year, I believe. The total value of the extension is $15 mil guaranteed, $40 mil max. But it's an extension of 4 years (past an existing contract of 2 years where he was making peanuts). So max is $6-7 mil per. Of course, if he gets to be a #1 receiver, we'll probably see a holdout long before we get to the end of this one.

From the updated article:

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 27, 2008 -> 05:49 PM) Well I obviously knew this topic wasn't going to get much support, but jeesh, you guys are just no fun. You think we aren't that good of a match until you start researching their other possibilities.... Not really. The Mets are in the NL, they need a corner outfield bat, and Manny won't b**** about going there. At least, it'll be the least possible b****ing. Still Manny being oh who gives a f*** There's about a .2% chance they actually trade him.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 27, 2008 -> 04:42 PM) I don't see the option as being that big of a burden, except for the fact that the team that ultimately acquires Manny will have had to plan to do so and I am not sure that many teams now could do so on such little notice. However, we are one of the teams that could. I really think we match up with them about as good as anyone. It's just a question of whether they would even deal him to us if we wanted him... If they actually make a push to trade him, they're going to try to get him out of the AL first, and I don't think they'd want to deal him to an AL contender, especially. And I very much doubt they'd want PK. I don't think we match up very well, at all.

Todd Jones is out as Detroit's closer. After more than two years, Detroit suddenly realized it might be better to have a good pitcher out there in tough spots. The surprise is that it's Rodney getting the call, not Zumaya, though Zumaya doesn't appear to be healthy, so it's not really so surprising. Dammit.

Nice. More money than I thought he'd get. From the article: Yup. Second thing I thought about (after, Glad that's finished).

He's locked up pretty cheap through 2011. They're not dealing him.

So did Duchscherer's price just go down? 8 er in 6 ip. And I have him on every single one of my fantasy teams. Owwie.

QUOTE (knightni @ Jul 26, 2008 -> 02:25 AM) LaMont Jordan released today by Oakland. Let's bring everyone in! Signed by the Pats. I thought the Saints would make a stronger push.

Anthony Reyes to the Indians for Luis Perdomo (minor league reliever who was brilliant this year in high A, doing okay in AA). Huh.

QUOTE (kyyle23 @ Jul 26, 2008 -> 02:10 PM) Are the Sonics now officially dead in the water? I was reading that the former owner was suing for breach of contract, did that ever happen? I think the suit is ongoing, but it sounds like a longshot.

QUOTE (daa84 @ Jul 26, 2008 -> 12:00 PM) is that mccutchen any relation to andrew? the one the pirates already have Dunno, but they don't seem to be brothers, unless they were raised by different parents. (Baseball Cube says one was born/grew up around Florida, the other around Texas/Oklahoma.) My first thought when I saw "McCutchen going to Pirates in Nady deal" was, That can't be right... I was worried for a sec that Pitt had somehow thrown McCutchen into the deal and rotoworld just had a typo.