jackie hayes

QUOTE(SoxHawk1980 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 02:08 PM) I doubt there are more than 12 people in the world who are not Sox fans who think this deal was about even. Check out the comments on rotoworld, Baseball Prospectus and just about anywhere else on this trade. Everyone is shocked that the Sox gave up so little for Garcia. Ah, melodrama. As natural as... Well, you know the rest. But all this isn't even what you're pissed about. Anyone who thinks Figgins alone would have been a better target can't be complaining about the return. You're ticked that we didn't get any pieces for 2007. We'll see what happens, but that's probably true. Hell, you'd be ticked if we had swung Garcia for Danks and Hurley, since neither will contribute in the bigs in 2007. Fine. I have misgivings about this deal, and I'm surprised we couldn't get a little more, but 1) I want a team that aims to be competitive EVERY year, so I like acquiring young pitching, and 2) we certainly didn't get nothing of value back. Gio is no Danks, Pelfrey, Bailey, Hughes, or Hirsh, but he's a very good prospect, and was very young for AA. Everyone agrees that Floyd still has his stuff, and he's still fairly young (24), so he definitely has time to develop the command. Basically, if I was expecting to get a 1 back in trade, I think we got 3/4 or so. Maybe, instead of being a blind homer, I'm just coming to the thought that I overvalued FG (and I think I was on the low end of the expectations spectrum before). Maybe everyone else is readjusting their expectations for trades, as well. And maybe, just maybe, you should get off your high horse and stop telling people how you're the only one who can think clearly around here.

QUOTE(WCSox @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 02:08 PM) I don't think that he's being spiteful. It's more an issue of him not wanting to over-pay for the Randy Johnsons and A.J. Burnetts out there. Umm...or the Gil Meches.

QUOTE(PlunketChris @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 01:34 PM) Anyone know what Phillies fans think of this deal? QUOTE(iamshack @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 01:35 PM) They were initially not happy about it, but now seem to be ok with it, especially considering that KW wanted Hirsh in exchange for Garland. That's about right. (I dunno about the Hirsh part, didn't read that much.) They definitely weren't ecstatic, though. Both sides having misgivings, why, you'd almost think the deal was about even...

That Lilly contract starts to look good. Good God, that's awful.

QUOTE(SoxHawk1980 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 12:15 PM) Haegar is major league ready? He certainly didn't look like it in his one major league start. We have no idea if he's major league ready. I have no faith in him. Broadway? I don't think he is anywhere close to major league ready. He may be great one day, but 2007 is way too soon for him. Floyd? How much major league suckage does this guy have to show to illustrate that he is not major league ready? The depth that we used to have was BMac. I guess your answer would be, one bad outing.

Buchholz? I have a real hard time believing that.

QUOTE(philadelphia sox fan @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 10:43 AM) Gio Gonzalez was our draft pick we got when we traded Thome, so essentally he came from the White Sox pick. Appreciate the appraisals. But on this, the Sox picked Gio, then he was traded for Thome.

QUOTE(knightni @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 12:23 AM) Delmon Young maybe? /sarcasm without the green textbook

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 12:05 AM) I think that very well could happen and no way would the Rays turn that down, imo. We hold onto Gio who may very well make his major league debut out of our pen this year as we continue to groom him. That or we may be about to resign Buehrle. They'd turn it down, and fast. Every rumor mentions that they want nothing but pitching for Baldelli. They're not gonna accept any deal that involves Floyd as the best pitcher acquired.

QUOTE(bschmaranz @ Dec 6, 2006 -> 11:34 PM) I'm gonna go out on a unimaginably small and fragile twig and say we're getting Vernon Wells... fixed

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Dec 6, 2006 -> 11:00 PM) True, but as you said, young. Very young for his league. Eh, call me crazy, I'm not as pissed. I thought anyone posting Pelfrey plus packages for Garcia was absolutely nuts. These are two pretty good arms. If even one ends up giving us a league average year or more as a starter, it'll be tough for this not to be a win for the Sox. And who knows... we save $10 million here, and it's not like the Sox need to cut back budget. Something else could be in the works. Maybe the Sox like Zito and want to make a play for him? Agreed. I've said a couple times that we would NOT get the return everyone thought for one of our starters. But I still have strong reservations on this. Gio's been impressive, but he's still a guy who's been dogged by injury concerns since being drafted. But I'll give KW the benefit of the doubt on this one.

QUOTE(shawnhillegas @ Dec 6, 2006 -> 10:59 PM) I have to think that a trade is on the horizon. The Phils would have been willing to trade Rowand instead of Gio, and Im presuming the only reason Kenny would say no is if he had another deal fro a CFer on the horizon. Rocco please. I'd rather have Gio.

QUOTE(ptatc @ Dec 6, 2006 -> 10:55 PM) This trade still leaves the Sox with 6 starteing pitchers. It doesn't seems Floyd has anything more to prove in the minors. I think there will be more to come. A good season in the recent past would be a start.

QUOTE(Pods20 @ Dec 6, 2006 -> 10:53 PM) I like it! Gio had a great year last year and i felt he was our best prospect last year... so garcia and rowand for Thome I dunno about "great". Like a 4.6 era, I think. Ton of strikeouts, young, first year at AA, so, not bad. But "great"?

QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 6, 2006 -> 10:42 PM) Pelfrey was never on the table. But weren't we just about to get him along with Humber and Milledge? Or at least Heilman and Milledge? That deal just sounded so thoroughly thought-out...

QUOTE(knightni @ Dec 6, 2006 -> 05:35 PM) You don't lose prospects and he'll break Aaron's record at USCF possibly. Good God, you Rowand fanboys have to stop with all this crazy bulls***...

Sizemore, Lee, Peralta, Hafner, Martinez... Not relievers. I think the Royals did well, here. They need a rotation before anything else, and they're stockpiling young arms for a run with Gordon and Shealy in the lineup. Not a bad strategy.

Another episode of your favorite, Which One Does Not Belong. From rotoworld:

QUOTE(Melissa1334 @ Dec 4, 2006 -> 07:59 PM) 5/65, that is cheap, 13 mil. javy is making 12. whos the other bargain? im guessing pujols, he makes 14 right? Yup, AP makes something like $14 mil. Almost funny at this point. Best player in the bigs gets $14 mil. Oops. Still, there's a point where the $ don't matter except in terms of silly vanity. Hopefully, Albert's passed that point. If you had to choose between being Ruth or Carnegie, who would you choose? I'd take Ruth in a heartbeat.

QUOTE(Bbigdogg29 @ Dec 4, 2006 -> 08:39 PM) If the Brewers are willing to dangle Kevin Mench...what do you guys think about him??? Kinda like Menchy as a 4th ofer, to use against lhp-ers. He f'n MAULS lhp... But I'm hoping he'll be cheap. Not worth much.

QUOTE(Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 4, 2006 -> 07:23 PM) If the White Sox sign Barry Bonds I will become a Cubs fan. No lie, no joke, I will jump ship faster than anyone in Chicago. That's how much I despise that piece of sh*t. Ya f'n Royko. (Sorry, Mike, I love ya, despite your big failing.) Nothing's worth that. Brewers, Cards, okay. But don't even think those thoughts.

QUOTE(T R U @ Dec 4, 2006 -> 07:17 PM) If we signed Bonds I would buy an authentic Bonds Sox jersey immediately.. I would LOVE to have Bonds in LF for us next year Yeah, well, you are so supportive of the roiders, you'd probably buy a Brady Anderson jersey if we signed him.

QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 4, 2006 -> 07:15 PM) Considering some of the other ex-juicers that people want us to trade for... Who?

Holy s***, that's cheap. The Cards now have 2 of the best bargains in the majors.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 4, 2006 -> 05:54 PM) How many people have wondered what will happen if BMAC totally bombs as a full time starter. I have. I think I'd be very, very surprised. But I think that, as much as everyone hates (HATES) knucklers, Haeger would be acceptable as a 5th starter, and there's some chance Broadway would be ready by mid-2007. I also wonder what would happen if Buehrle's career path continues to resemble Mulder's, or if Garcia's velocity never recovers, or if Garland again forgets that a sinkerballer should throw down in the zone, or if MacDougal gets hurt yet again, or if Thornton remembers why he only was worth Joe B, or if Jenks loses the strike zone for two weeks instead of one, or if Vazquez...well, better not to think about that. Anything's possible.