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Regardless of what Hawk/Stoney say, that's a changeup he's throwing at 82.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Aug 20, 2012 -> 09:29 PM) I thought the exact opposite about that comment. Of course he referenced Nintendo, and not something in the last two decades. The problem is that I think he doesn't know a Nintendo from an XBOX from his elbow from his asshole

Hawk wouldn't know a Nintendo if it was shoved up his ass

This is not a bad time for an epic Tank hot streak

Tank you very much

COLLAPSE COLLAPSE

QUOTE (Big Hurtin @ Aug 20, 2012 -> 08:16 PM) Wait, Gavin kicked the bucket? When the hell did this happen? lol

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Aug 20, 2012 -> 08:14 PM) He is not hurt just no dam good. Can you offer an explanation as to why he went from a ~4 WAR pitcher to a ~2 WAR pitcher over this full season?

I don't think we were going to mortgage the bullpen over a 1 out walk unless there was something physically wrong with Gavin. Pair that with the oddity of Gavin not being able to warm up, etc. I think he's hurt.

VERY quick hook. He's hurt.

That was hit so hard.

I like doing that to Freddy instead of watching it happen to Freddy when he was playing for us.

Gavin Floyd WAR by year: 2.5 4.5 4.3 3.6 1.6 (2012) cut his ass!

I guess we don't have any RH CF options, so I wonder which one of these guys will get the bulk of the PT in center.

Splitters gon' split...

I hated D-Wise when Ozzie thought that he was Alejandro de Aza. Now that we treat Wise like he's DeWayne Wise, I don't mind having him around.

The magic that is DeWayne Wise as a White Sox continues.

Wouldn't mental dwarves be worse as time goes on?

I think he's hurt. It wouldn't always be the first inning if he just sucked in general. He just isn't getting loose at all, as if he's hurt.

Alexei Ramirez with RISP: .350 AVG, .846 OPS 2 outs, RISP: .318/.788 WAR: 1.1 bWAR, .7 fWAR The thing that sticks out to me in Alexei's numbers is that his walk rate is way down. I don't have a good explanation for this other than perhaps the lack of power has pitchers unafraid to go right at him. I would say it could be related to his somewhat diminished role given the breaking out of Dunn, Rios, AJP, Youk, ADA...but it isn't like Alexei was ever a truly featured hitter. It could easily be the opposite of what I think, that a poor eye is preventing the power from coming out rather than vice versa.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 20, 2012 -> 10:37 AM) The saying goes, don't believe anything you see in spring training, and don't believe anything you see in meaningless games in September. See Fields, Josh and Morel, Brent. The real question is whether teams like the Cubs have played a single "meaningful" game. Any reps extra young guys can get benefit the franchise to some extent. Even if their numbers don't create a large enough or significant enough sample, MLB innings and at bats are still MLB innings and at bats.

I think OPS sucks as the key evaluator of offense (especially from a middle infielder) but there can't be any stats that make Gordon look good right now. People get paid big bucks to see things that the stats don't show, but many more lose their jobs for thinking they see things that the stats don't show. I'm sure the fate of Gordon Beckham is a hot topic in our front office. I have a feeling Kenny Williams sees a lot of himself in Gordon, which is likely not the most comforting feeling.

I'd like Derrick to have whatever Adrian Peterson is having

Manto's comments in that Q and A with FanGraphs made it seem like he thought Gordon shouldn't be in the MLB. First Manto says that if you have legitimately made it in the MLB, you shouldn't have any real mechanical issues, perhaps just a tweak here and there. It's all about approach, etc. He then goes on to discuss Gordon and some "major" mechanical issues that he had and has going on that they have been working on consistently...as if to say he should be at a level where it is appropriate to work on mechanical problems. He said that his problems made it impossible for him to stay consistent over the course of a season, hence the short bursts of glory that make us believe in Gordon again before hitting a tailspin. The Sox's hands are tied though, I understand.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Aug 20, 2012 -> 02:31 PM) As long as you are simply talking about in life and in general while getting paid an MLB salary to be a career backup/utility infielder, then yeah, he'll be fine? He is, however, a top ten draft pick bust. Hey, at least he made the MLB and has been largely a (ever so slightly) positive value player. We hoped for more, but he's still pretty young anyway. That entire draft is littered with "busts." I'd say make him a utility guy, but he might be too expensive to make it worth that. Anyways, this thread should really be entitled "Beckham having a rough career"