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adding him as the backup catcher to face lefties sounds great. also having a guy for a defensive replacement late in games would be nice too. but i just dont see it happening.

QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Feb 28, 2009 -> 12:05 PM) This one Cardinals fan told me St Louis has bigger sports fans than Chicago b/c the Ozzie Smith restaurant thrives whereas Jordan's restaurant comparatively didnt last long. Ha. Supply & demand much? not so much supply and demand as it its costs and who is running the place. too many people get involved in the restaurant biz have no idea what they are doing.

kinda cool watching it this morning. HOF battery with Seaver and Fisk. and a few HOF matchups between Seaver and Winfield and Henderson with Fisk catching. very nostalgic. amazing how much smaller the player's looked back in the 80's

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Feb 9, 2009 -> 03:32 PM) Even if he just used it in 2001-2003, steroids have a positive effect even afterwards from what I've read up over the past couple of days. So he could've stopped in '03, but still could be reaping the benefits and reaping the negatives. i was curious on this too. the whole story is so fascinating and has so many different aspects to it. each person's view of baseball from the mid 80's(canseco,mcgwire era) to 2005(when real testing occured) can be viewed in so many different ways. is it just a part of the game during this time period and we move on? do we punish everyone? just punish those who we have true proof? do we lump in every player who we have no proof but plenty of suspicions? with the broad list of the mitchell report(25th men, 5th starters, minor league fodder) to the superstars(bonds,arod,palmeiro,clemens,etc) of the game who have been caught, i just think it's a thing of this era. no one can really be cast as a "clean player". not with so much proof that it was a part of the game. as sox fans, we all assume and hope big frank was clean. we hope thome is clean. unfortunately, there is no way to prove it with anyone. i just think we take this era for what its worth and move on.

damn espn insider....i was curious to read all 100....i wanted to read up on kila kiaihue from KC

that was funny...the caption says take a look at success from the 2008 season and they only showed wins 88 and 89....i thought it was gonna be a year in review thing. but still good nonetheless.

the biggest thing is this pitching youth movement. it is extremely rare for minor league talents to just step in and put up good era's, good whip's and pitch the required 200+innings you need as a SP. look at danks and floyd they struggled their first go arounds as a SP. at the moment we are asking 2 rooks to do this for us if we don't get a proven SP or 2 in there via trade or FA. i am really not looking forward to 2009. its gonna be a long year.

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 01:24 AM) Let's take a look at what we currently have compared to what we had last season... C 08 Pierzynski - C 09 Pierzynski = WASH 1B 08 Konerko - 1B 09 Konerko = WASH, though hopefully he has a much better 09 2B 08 Ramirez - 2B 09 Getz/Lil/Nix/Betemit = 08 SS 08 Cabrera - SS 09 Ramirez = 09 3B 08 Crede/Uribe - 3B 09 Fields/Betemit = ?, while he'll probably have better offensive output, we're taking a big dip on D. LF 08 Quentin - LF 09 Quentin = WASH CF 08 Swish/JR - CF 09 Owens/Lil/Anderson = Wash, pretty much all suck RF 08 Dye - RF 09 Dye = WASH So what I'm seeing is a probably rebound from PK as he finished the season pretty strong, and probably regression from CQ and JD. Fields will outproduce the Crede/Uribe duo, but his defense isn't even close, though Crede sucked last year. We're losing a bit of power in CF, but gaining better defense. 2B and CF are probably the biggest toss ups offensively. As far as SP goes, we've lost the Vazquez and will go most of the season (probably) without Contreras, so substitute in 2 of Richard/Poreda/Marquez/Egbert/Broadway. There is no doubt we're going to feel more hurt in the rotation than we do with the offense. I have some faith in Richard though. He pitched very well in the playoffs and had some promising starts. Endurance will surely be an issue with the 4/5 spots, which leads me to believe Carrasco will be used a lot in the long relief role and the 3rd place finisher of the competition might get a spot as a long man in the bullpen also. The bullpen is essentially the same right now. The way I see it, if we go into 2009 with this team, it's going to be a long, rough season. Offensively, we can probably live with 2 of 2B/3B/CF being internal options, but to have all 3 as question marks going into the season isn't a great idea (barring any breakout surprises). As far as the pitching staff goes, again, barring any surprises (and expecting slight regression from Danks/Floyd), we won't be able to succeed with only 3 "sure things" in the rotation, but in any sport, nothing is a sure thing. If I'm KW, my main targets right now are a lead off man who can play one of SS/2B/CF and a SP (#4 guy at worst) who can eat a lot of innings. I'd be content with the team if those 2 things were added right now. Thats why, if I'm KW, I sign Furcal and do my damndest to find a SP in FA (Johnson, Lowe, Wolf, Garland, Penny, Perez) or via the trade market. The only way I trade Dye is if I'm going to be adding 2 reasonably big salaries to the payroll, in which case 2 of Abreu/Dunn/Lowe/Furcal/Sheets/Rivera/Hudson. all i see is 3 positions where there are huge question marks and last time we had a season like that was in 2007. it wasnt pretty. not to mention if they trade dye, thats 4 positions where you dont have legit starters. not to mention we only have 3 capable SP, which is really the biggest problem. we are gonna have another 2007 season unless we sign 2 big free agents as you suggest or if this youth movement (getz,dayan,owens,fields,maybe beckham etc) is ready to actually contribute to at least league avg's at their positions.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Dec 9, 2008 -> 09:26 PM) I agree that 33M IS dead weight and that was the point of my post. In this market, you could do a LOT better than Dye, Konerko, and Thome for that money. really? you can do better than those 3 at 33mil? if you can get tex,manny and dunn for 33 mil my hats off to u my friend.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 9, 2008 -> 09:03 PM) The payroll is not at $82 million when you consider arbitration eligible players like Jenks and the minimal salary numbers for another 10 guys or so. That's another $10 million or so at least. yeah but you dump dye and there is your extra 10 million for the minimum guys

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Dec 9, 2008 -> 08:54 PM) All the negative talk about cutting payroll is funny. If we could get rid of Dye, Konerko, and Thome and get nothing in return except the ~$33M off the payroll, I don't think anyone on this board would object. im fine gettin rid of dye,thome,konerko as long as the money is being spent elsewhere. but obviously they arent doing that...or so they say

QUOTE (chisox2334 @ Dec 9, 2008 -> 08:31 PM) Ken Williams’ eyes turned red Tuesday when ahe was asked about his faith in unproven youngsters Josh Fields, Jerry Owens and Brian Anderson. But the White Sox general manager was more diplomatic about assessing the back end of his rotation, where youngsters Clayton Richard, Jeff Marquez and Aaron Poreda currently are competing for two spots. “Things can change,” Williams told a group of reporters while standing far away from the congested areas of the Bellagio where agents and some executives congregated. “Decisions are evolving as we travel down some roads that are a little uncertain right now. You can walk in the lobby and see how much uncertainty there is in regards to free agents or trades. “All I’m saying now is I have an open mind, and if we have to go in the season with the young guys, then so be it.” One National League GM suspected Williams was employing a method reminiscent of four winters ago, when he traded Carlos Lee and let Magglio Ordonez go to free agency. That allowed him to reshape the team and sign Tadahito Iguchi and A.J. Pierzynski after the winter meetings. But Williams said his projected player payroll is currently at its limit. The Sox have earmarked more than $82 million for 11 players for the 2009 season, and that doesn’t include closer Bobby Jenks, who is likely to receive a $5 million raise as a first-year arbitration-eligible player. Williams would gain more flexibility if he can trade right fielder Jermaine Dye and his $11.5 million salary. But Williams spent the afternoon in a staff meeting and said he doubted that any moves would be made by the winter meetings’ conclusion Thursday. The Sox haven’t talked to Atlanta since last week’s Javier Vazquez trade, thus quelling a report that the two teams were engaged in serious talks involving Dye. The Sox, however, could wait until January to see if the market became more saturated as Friday’s deadline to tender contracts to all unsigned players approaches. Williams was just as evasive when asked if he would pursue a free agent now. “Well, if I answered that question, it would go against my tactics of trying to mislead you guys as much as I can,” Williams said. “So, I just have to continue on with my pattern of dodging and weaving. We generally have more success when we are operating out of sight.” if the payroll is now at 82 million....thats about a 30% reduction in payroll. seems very odd for a large market team. i guess they see bad numbers with this new economy.

QUOTE (103 mph screwball @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 11:40 PM) This part got my attention they have to spend some money on free agents. its inevitable. unfortunately i just dont see a big named guy coming our way. but you never know with KW

awesome man

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 10:39 PM) http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0,1600685.story Discuss, :-). I don't mind Getz as the supersub/utility guy if we want to save money on Uribe's deal....but for Jerry Owens to be getting the majority of at-bats in CF against RH pitchers and for Chris to be the starting 2B, that doesn't seem like the surest way to get the fanbase excited for 2009. Of course, KW doesn't really care what the fans think, so it's his preorogative, but I can't imagine the other contending teams will be too fear-stricken. At least he didn't say Josh Fields would be the starting 3B on April 6th against KC. what's he supposed to say...hey i got these trades lined up for better talent..or yeah we want hudson or figgins...come on now, you know how kenny operates.

QUOTE (hawksox13 @ Sep 17, 2008 -> 12:57 PM) How about that 10 game road trip in August? 4 at Boston, 3 at NYY, and 3 at Minnesota. Ouch! then back home for 4 more against boston....lets hope we are up 15 games on august 24th...

as hawk would say....where would he play?

JD better be added to the team for big papi

varitek and his 219 avg make it over AJ...what a joke

QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Jun 11, 2008 -> 11:24 AM) This may not be popular, but what about Jay Gibbons? I know he used 'roids, but he is a left handed bat, or even Nook Logan, who I'm sure can play anywhere, and is a speedy, left-handed bat. nook logan???really? might as well bring back TIMO

QUOTE (bullpenHeat @ Jun 2, 2008 -> 09:27 AM) Oh god I thought it would never come to this. Release Thome, and sign the best hitter in baseball....Gulp....Barry Bonds. Oh god please help me. most people here would tell you that you are an idiot. but really, big head bonds would be an upgrade over thome, konerko or swisher. and thome is performing best out of that group, paulie is the one with the biggest problem right now. swisher is too young and too cheap for him to be demoted or traded at this point. but barry certainly wont be coming here, i can almost 100% guarantee that.

in 3 years so much of the older players with big contracts will be gone anyways....konerko,dye,thome...etc...they will ave extra money with those guys gone to make a big free agent splash in 2010,2011...not to mention the younger core of swisher,quentin,fields will all be the new "vets" and they will have 3 years until then to develop minor leaguers QUOTE(bighurt4life @ Feb 7, 2008 -> 12:00 AM) Obviously KW did a good job in getting players that will help us this coming season. He upgraded our bullpen, our infield and our outfield. Thats a pretty good offseason, what the article doesn't mention however is that KW stripped our minors to the bone to make these deals happen. How good will we be in 3 years when team is getting older and we have no legitimate in-house options for replacement?

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Nov 19, 2007 -> 11:52 AM) Who knows. Uribe might actually come in handy this season in a utility role. Unfortunately that's a lot of f'n money for a utility player but I think it's worth it to keep him instead of trading him for probably nothing. i'd personally trade him for nothing.....not even a bag of balls....literally nothing as long as that 4.5 mil could come off the books.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 19, 2007 -> 11:49 AM) Quick question... What teams might want Uribe? And for what role? a team needing solid defense and a jerk and pull home run swing that should net 20 hr and 70 rbi's but can't do anything else at the plate.

QUOTE(GreatScott82 @ Nov 19, 2007 -> 11:40 AM) IMO Cabrera is better than Tejada and Renteria. Cabrera just won the GOLD GLOVE! He's a gamer. I hope they can sign him to a 3 year extension soon! Am I the only one who likes this move? Yes im worried about the rotation, but i think KW will bring in a decent veteran for a reasonable price... oh and he solidifies that 2 hole in our lineuP! I'm with you man, I like the deal. It always hurts to lose a quality starting pitcher but he had to be traded and we needed a real SS and a #2 hitter. I just hope the kid pitchers(Danks.Floyd and Gio) are ready and to quote Denny Green"be who we thought they were". But lets face it we weren't bad in 2007 because of the pitching as much as it was because of the hitting.