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It's too bad KW couldn't have just thrown Uribe in on the deal and we take back some over priced useless guy of their's.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Nov 19, 2007 -> 11:31 AM) If you really look at deals in the last few years, unless its a total lopsided deal, both teams fans usually hate the deal. Losing a key member of the team stings. I totally understand. I remember when Rowand was dealt for Thome, alot of people around here were so upset, yet we clearly got the better of the deal. I just have to say this trade looks much better than the Garcia trade last season. I was upset not getting back a MLB ready talent, this time we got a solid contributor who has a solid track record.

I'm also very suprised so many people here are dissing the deal. I think OCab, as he will now be known around here, is a good player and a SIGNIFICANT upgrade over Uribe. Uribe moving back to his original role in 2004 of Utility INF might be best for him. I hope they can trade him somehow though and get that 4.5 million off the books, but I'm not sure how quickly you can trade guys who you just resigned.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 8, 2007 -> 12:54 PM) *cough* Jenkins *cough* it makes too much sense to have jenkins as our LF in 2008. short contract, decently priced,solid bat, average defender.

QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Oct 29, 2007 -> 03:50 PM) Give them Jon. damn if renteria can be had for 2 minor leaguers basically, we shouldnt have to trade jon to get furcal.this makes me think we may be able to still have a solid rotation and upgrade at ss by trading minor leaguers too.

It is going to be a tough semi-rebuild for KW. He is right that we have pieces in place and it is not a complete retooling. He has to hope that #1, all the "good pieces" he has offensively, PK,Thome,Dye,AJ can all bounce back and have above average years. Adding Hunter,Furcal and whoever else won't help if those "good pieces" don't get their ass in gear. #2,he needs to figure out a way to trim payroll from the pitching staff,to afford the free agents we desire. They have way too much of their $100 mil invested in JG,MB,Count and Javy. Thus Garland and or Count will be traded. We then need one or two of our young pitchings prospects to come through. Is Floyd/Gio/Broadway/Danks/Egbert/Haeger up to the task? Is there a cheaper alternative free agent wise than Garland or Contreras, while still going out every 5th day and being at least average? #3, that bullpen needs serious help. Only problem with bullpens, is that year to year it really is a crap shoot. '05 we have the best bullpen and one year later, our main setup guys turn to s***. It happens with nearly every team, you just never know what you are gonna get from that spot. #4,which most people say is most important, is deciding and finding who will fill the following positions-CF,2B,SS,3B,LF CF-Will we sign Hunter,Rowand,Cameron, Jones? Or is Jerry Owens capable of handling the job defensively and be a solid leadoff hitter? He certainly is cheaper and provides great speed, one of Ozzie's great desires. 2B-Richar, is he really the answer? I just have a such a hard time giving a full time job to guys who havent proved anything. Richar was bad in his 2 month audition. Can we let him get more seasoned at AAA and find a stopgap? Makes me sick thinking that our 2 middle infielders could hit a .230 each again. Which brings us to... SS-Juan Uribe. Oh how he makes me sick. He just gets worse and worse with no signs of coming close to turning it around. Unfortunately, our lack of minor league system provides us with no SS even coming close to take over. So we need to fill this via free agency or a trade. The Angels have great SS depth in their system, so Orlando Cabrera could be had. Rumors have circulated over Renteria, Furcal as well. The free agent list is just bad. Eckstein and Vizquel will not help and are barely an improvement over Juan. LF,3B-We put Josh Fields in left this year with hopes of Crede returning. But is that wise to gamble on Crede,coming back and being close to his old self? Would it make more sense to have Owens in LF(cheap speedy leadoff guy) and Fields at 3B(basically same numbers Crede can put up and cheap) and letting an injury prone Crede just walk? Then we have more money to persue Hunter for CF, more money for bullpen help,being able to trade Garland for a SS who is proven and will undoubtedly have a big salary. Gives me a headache just thinking about all the possibilities. Good luck KW, you will need it.

QUOTE(BearSox @ Sep 27, 2007 -> 06:48 PM) I love the fact we play Colorado, but enough with freaking Pirates already. enough with the pirates? give me a break, do you see the team we have currently. bring them on, we need all the help we can get.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Sep 21, 2007 -> 08:45 PM) Almost every team in baseball would love to have a guy like Garland in the rotation and any team looking to improve the pen will have to consider Garland as he'll be one of the 3-4 very best pitchers on the market. Hell, Contreras could possibly one of the 5 best pitchers on the market (the market this year is freaking horrible...there are zero worthy FA starters and aside from Blanton I can't think of many starters better than Garland or even Contreras for that matter). Therefor if you want a starter, you'll have to come to CHicago and Kenny should have all kinds of leverage. I thought Kenny had leverage last season when he could have traded any of his starters for a solid package, instead it was Garcia for a couple of upside minor leaguers in Gio and Floyd. I agree this years FA class of SP is much worse, but I don't have faith in the Sox making a deal that brings back good value or what we as fans are hoping for.

very cool slideshow. i went to my first game there in 1984 when i was just 6. my uncle had season tickets and would take me just about every weekend they were home from 1984-1990. i had alot of fun times there and watching mostly bad baseball back then. actually remembering back to those days, it makes this year not as bad in reality. the old comiskey days were were always bad, until 1990. let's just hope 2007 was just a little sppeedbump. i remember getting to go to the final night game at old comiskey when they turned the lights out too. it was quite an honor.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 29, 2007 -> 10:55 AM) Good for Kenny. Keep asking for the moon, because eventually someone will get more desparate than we are. yup. when push comes to shove and teams are in need of a SP whoever makes the best offer will get them. there will be a bidding war.

saltalamacchia will be traded by the braves. schuerholtz has already said its real possible he will be traded since they have mccann already. whether we get him in a deal, i dont know. but if they are looking to improve that team, salty will be dealt. if we were to land salty in a trade for buehrle, then ship aj out too. someone mentioned the cubs and that sounds good to me. thanks for your time aj, but if we could land eric patterson, a 2b, to the farm system, then do it. im scared as hell as to who our 2b and ss will be next year. uribe has to go and gooch is the best free agent 2b available and he seems likely to be gone too. our farm system, position player wise, is just horrible at this point. no influx of young talent other than fields. they keep touting sweeney, owens, anderson etc but they dont get a chance to show if they can truly do it or not on a full time basis. so, when they trade dye too, let the 3 of them come up, play them everyday. you have to find out if they can play everyday at this level and not get jerked around by sitting them in favor of mackowiak/terrero, etc. we need to find out what our top prospects are.

are you serious, 10 in a row? i hate to be debbie downer, but they cant even win 2 in a row and you want 10. priceless. the firesale is coming after this cubs/sox series. they couldnt do it before this. we need middle infield prospect who are major league ready big time.

QUOTE(South Side Fireworks Man @ May 27, 2007 -> 06:30 PM) Can somebody give me the lowdown on Prinz? What's his story, what does he throw and what can we expect from him? I played little league against him. The guy had awesome heat back then, 70mph plus at age 12. I was lucky enough to manage a flare shot down the first baseline off him one time.

Contrary to popular perception, the Southside is most assuredly not in a different time zone. Central Daylight Time is adhered to as rigidly down here as it is in the rest of Chicago. Regional anomalies, such as having a winning baseball team, have lead to a perception that the Southside is much further away than it actually is. thats the best one

QUOTE(IowaSoxFan @ Feb 28, 2007 -> 12:33 PM) But the team can pay the player more than that, for instance Ryan Howard is about to become the highest paid non-arbitration eligible player ever. I think they were saying he would get a $2 million contract for this season. If Gil Meche can make 11 million, Howard should be making 60 mil.

Prinz is from the south burbs. I played little league against him. I was able to get a flare base hit off of him, down the right field line when i was 11 and he was 12. This is my only claim to fame that I know I could have played MLB ball.

it was 1984 versus the Brew Crew. i was 6 and had just started playing t-ball. i think they lost like 8-1 from what i recall. but still, was amazed at the whole thing, huge ballpark, great players, colors.

There is also something different about the WS, NBA finals,Stanley Cup compared to the SuperBowl. If the Sox would have lost one of the World Series games, they had a chance to redeem themselves the next time out. The Bears its a one time shot. I was more nervous before the NFC championship than I was before any of the World Series games. But that doesn't change the fact that the Sox were more special to me.

also a few months back i remember a poll asking if Chicago was more of a football or baseball town and football won out. so i thought the vote would be closer on that merit as well.

Interesting responses. I was just curious how everyone felt. I'm shocked that its so one sided 74-1 at the moment. I obviously knew, being this a Sox message board, the Sox would win but I thought the younger fans may want a Bears Super Bowl having not witnessed the 1985 season. Sunday was a great moment, seeing them go to a Super Bowl again, but it didn't bring a tear to my eye like when the Sox were going to the WS or when they actually won the WS.

I know this is a Sox message board so the view may be quite slanted, but I'm curious how people feel about what is more important to them, Super Bowl or World Series. I voted for the Sox because I had seen the 1985 Bears when I was a kid but the World Series for me was a first and also something I sometimes never thought would actually happen.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 19, 2007 -> 10:33 AM) Yeah. Jon Rauch Jason Grilli Gary Majewski Kip Wells Keith Foulke Bobby Howry Scott Eyre All of them washed up former White Sox prospects, and, while I'm too lazy to look, I'm just going to assume that none of them are in the big leagues any more. Actually they are all still in MLB, maybe not Grilli though. Just because they didn't flourish here, doesn't mean they didn't become productiv somewhere else.

BandB are great. They make me laugh so hard. I love how they cut up interviews or when people mispronounce names or butcher them altogether and include them into the show. I love driving along and hearing Ditka call TO a cancer and that he should be destroyed. I love hearing the Buffone clip of him calling Brendan Ayanbadejo, Brendan Ayanbadejuass. Their producers, Goff and Abattacola are great too on the Last Call show, which is on usually from 8-11pm. Grandma Trivia is just awesome.

maybe the 07, 08, 09 free agent crop is stocked with some big time talent and kenny is looking to the future to shell out big time money on someone. thus freeing some money now for that thus having cheap pitchers and expensive hitters.

QUOTE(Cerbaho-WG @ Dec 28, 2006 -> 02:06 PM) If you offer something like 6/90 and he turns it down, a lot of the fans will live with it. Of course the ignoramuses will b**** and moan for a while, but I'd rather go the arbitration route with him. The sox will not be giving MB 6 years. I think the only pitcher they would give 6 years to might be Johan and thats a big maybe. I wouldnt expect anything more than a 4 year 60-75 million offer deal to MB.