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QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 14, 2009 -> 04:06 PM) Oh, right...I suppose Vick's actions would be more on par with those of Leonard Little, since you weren't a fan of his when he got drafted... I didn't know Leonard Little's story all that well, so I can't comment on him. If he killed a human, he's the same as Stallworth. If he killed dogs or animals, I hope he did his sentence and let's move on. The Buehrle hunting analogy is probably the best thought of analogy up here.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Aug 14, 2009 -> 03:17 PM) So it doesnt matter that he was paying them money and they were financing a drug ring out of his house that he also was running a dog fighting ring out of? He was the kingpin of this operation. Sorry If your mother gives you money, and you use the money to finance drugs so you can re-sell them and you get caught for dealing drugs, is your mom as guilty as you for operating a drug ring if she didn't know about it? And don't say it's unrealistic because it is very realistic. I've seen it happen with my own eyes for a lot of friends.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Aug 14, 2009 -> 02:26 PM) The drug ring was the buddies that were busted. Taylor and all of those guys. And all of them were existing on Vicks dime If they had a drug ring, they had a drug ring. Don't say it was Vick's fault. He had too much money to care about drug dealing. The dog fighting had to do moreso with sport and finding something for him to do.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Aug 14, 2009 -> 02:02 PM) I think Vick's treatment is some what hypocritical. First of all, im not sure where this "drug" ring idea is coming from. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3148549 I see no mention of vick and drug ring, and I really doubt that the federal govt would not even charge him with those crimes. But Im not an expert on the subject, so I would be interested to see where its coming from. Secondly in regards to vick "ruthlessly killing animals", should Mark Buehrle be suspended from baseball for "ruthlessly killing" deers and other animals when he hunts? Its hypocritical to value some animals more than other animals, so if we are really outraged by the barbaric acts of killing animals, we should be outraged equally by all those who hunt and kill animals. Why do they hunt? For sport and entertainment purposes. Why did vick have dogs fight? For sport and entertainment purposes. I dont think what vick did is right, but I certainly do not think that killing an animal (regardless of how heinous) could ever rise to the level of killing a human. And for everyone who is saying "Oh Stallworth made a mistake, weve all driven drunk" maybe thats true. but if vick said that "oh everyone I know dog fights, it was just a mistake" would it really matter? The answer is no. Stallworth has millions of dollars and access to a program called safe ride where a NFL player can get a ride at any time. He killed a man because he just didnt care about following the law. THANK YOU! Preach man. And just to add, no we have not all driven drunk. I for one have never driven drunk and if everyone in my circle is drunk, we take the public transportation. So please, do not try to group everyone by saying culture.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 14, 2009 -> 01:59 AM) Obviously you have not owned too many dogs in your life... What Vick did is despicable. I echo what an earlier poster who claimed what Stallworth did was not nearly as bad. Tens of thousands of people drive intoxicated in this country every night. Our culture practically encourages it. And while I am not in any means condoning what Stallworth did, there are plenty among us who commit the same crime as he, but have been lucky enough to avoid the circumstances that have ruined his life. What he did was probably the result of a few hours of very poor judgment - the same poor judgment that so many others are giuilty of. And yet what Vick did was far more gruesome. Something that required premeditation, an execution of a business plan, etc. I'm not going to claim he hasn't served his time; he obviously has paid an extraordinary price for his crimes. But to claim that because his victims were animals, his actions were somehow far lower on the spectrum of despicable acts than what Stallworth did, because his victim was a human being, simply does not compute to me. I wish him well, despite the fact that I would love hang tbones from every orifice of his body and let a pack of rabid wolves tear him to pieces. I'm sure if your wife was ran over by a drunk and high driver who shouldn't have been driving at all, and was struck and killed, you would not even think twice about Dante's actions being much worse. Your argument that it happens everyday is stupid IMO. Humans die every day, yes. So do dogs die everyday. We kills animals for food. Animals die a lot more than humans on a daily basis. Do we care about animals? Yes, but i'm sure if your dog died, you'd be less hurt about it then your wife. Vick's actions aren't anywhere near that of Dante's and I was a way bigger fan of Stallworth's as I followed him when he got drafted by the Saints.

First off, love the blog. I've been reading almost everything in there since it started. Secondly, I think Wagner would be a great addition to a pen who's only worthwhile pen option is Thornton. The rest of our bullpen, including Jenks, is very Jekyll & Hyde.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 13, 2009 -> 07:32 PM) He also lost games because teams stuffed his running attempts and he was going to depend on that because he was inconsistent as a passer. When teams were able to contain his running ability, the Falcons had no chance. And not many teams stopped his running ability. And again, he did pass the ball and made Alge Crumpler some money. You would think this guy was on the Patriots and failed to take them past 5 wins the way you talk about him.

QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Aug 13, 2009 -> 08:26 PM) I can't wait to boo his a** when they come to Chicago on November 22nd on SNF. I'll cheer him just because I don't like the Bears.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 13, 2009 -> 02:06 PM) In the 4 years that Vick was healthy and starting full-time, the Falcons went 35-28-1. That's an average of a 9-7 record. And during those seasons, the defense was pretty damn solid too. Michael Vick was never a franchise QB, just a QB who could run around and throw the ball 70 yards. ... Donte Stallworth suspended the full season. Vick won many games with his feet, and the ability to throw the ball. Was he a Brad Johnson? No, but he could throw the ball 70 yards without setting his feet. And he really never had any receivers and made Alge Crumpler look good. I think he may have have Roddy White for one year before hitting the slammer. The playoff game against the Packers, he won on his own. Hell, he carried that team way farther than they should ever have gone. And Stallworth getting off as easy as he did is a joke. The guy killed a man, and drove drunk. If it were you or me, we'd be locked up and the key close to being thrown away. Instead, he gets 29 days in jail and a one year ban. But yet Mike Vick got much worse for dogs.

QUOTE (rangercal @ Aug 13, 2009 -> 04:19 PM) That makes no sense. I don't care where they were . The end of the season is the only thing that matters, 83 wins. It matters a ton. It means they showed the ability to dominate during the course of the season and they just faltered at the end. The Sox have not shown that ability at all.

In it, to win it.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 13, 2009 -> 03:36 AM) He is going to HAVE to be a backup QB if he wants to continue playing the position. No team is suddenly going to make a guy who has been out of the game for 2 years who was never a good actual QB to begin with a starter during the 3rd week of training camp. He won his teams at the QB position. His most valuable position is that of a QB. Was he a good fantasy Qb? No, but I think it is definitely overstated when people say he was never actually good.

The thing with this team is, I think we already saw it peak with the Buehrle performance. Our offense and defense and pitching were clicking at once during about a 3-5 week span and we won and some guys, pretty easily. But this whole year, our hitting hasn't gotten in sync with the pitching which is caused by our sometimes poor defense as well. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see this team currently constructed doing anything this year or next.

Wow we got lucky.

We are destined to lose this game.

Jumping away from Kaner, JR has reached an agreement to buy the Coyotes.

Well Alexei better hope he hits a bomb. That was a Jose Valentine type play.

QUOTE (joeynach @ Aug 12, 2009 -> 11:01 PM) Fire burning...fire burning. If the sox lose this game blame ozzie for not being proactive in recognizing that the 2rd time through they are getting to him. This game is not Ozzie's fault. It's our anemic offense combined with facing a great pitcher and Buehrle losing it right about now. Ozzie's managed the game fine.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 12, 2009 -> 11:00 PM) That's funny, because if you didn't know better, you would think we just acquired the offensive version of Jake Peavy. Well, I'll be the first to say, I was on the Dick Allen train(I think it was him) saying I don't think this move would turn out all that great, but hope Alex hit .400 with 80 bombs.

I think with everyone getting caught up in the acquisition of Alex Rios is almost everyone forgot about the fact that he sucks.

I'm a fan now of hers

Neal Cotts for David Aardsma.

I never knew he almost got traded for Tim Lincecum after 2007. Oh have the mighty fallen!

QUOTE (rockren @ Aug 10, 2009 -> 06:53 PM) Hint Hint Hint...Bulls... ...lose Ben Gordon...addition by subtraction!!!!!!!!!