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QUOTE(G&T @ Jan 28, 2006 -> 01:04 PM) Something interesting (kinda) that I heard about Contreras yesterday was that Don Cooper, on with North, met some Cubans during the off season who claimed to have proof that JC was actually close to 50 years old and that he is older than El Duque. I didn't see this posted anywhere else and I wouldn't mention it except that it came from Coop. I guess it's really not all that surprising. If he's that old and throws his fastball that hard, then damn, I wonder what his fastball was like when he was 28.

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Jan 28, 2006 -> 07:29 PM) I'm gonna not say anything more about this, but he's not going to be going up against crappy Big 12 secondaries anymore. Neither will Leinart go against crappy overall Pac-10 defenses period. And nor will he have superstar type WR's to throw to. And since when is Kansas and OSU's secondaries crappy?

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Jan 28, 2006 -> 03:58 PM) Comerica took a little over 2 years to build. It didnt happen over an off-season. I agree that the seats are taking a little longer than you would think to replace, but the Sox are doing so many little things at the same time, I think they are just spacing out the work. Ford Field. And even with Comerica, they built 1/4th of the stadium in an offseason. That's still alot.

QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Jan 28, 2006 -> 03:19 PM) What's the weather like in those areas? It'd be easy to build a stadium in a place where the weather is dependable year-round. We also had our offseason cut short by something called the playoffs. Well Detroit has s***ty weather from what I've heard.

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Jan 28, 2006 -> 03:40 PM) No Josh, he is throwing Thome rose bouquets, :headshake Is that not true?

QUOTE(daa84 @ Jan 28, 2006 -> 12:00 PM) ill bet cutler goes ahead of young, i dont think young will drop to second round, or even out of the top 10. but really young was a late first round pick before the rose bowl, and now people say he should go #1 overall, which is ridiculous. im guessin lienart goes to teh saints, cutler to the titans and young will go to the lions at 9 Young was projected top 10 before the Rose Bowl. Mel Kiper has repeatedly said that and he's the best when it comes to drafts(one of the only things ESPN does well). And Young won't make it past the Jets at 4 if he's there. QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Jan 28, 2006 -> 12:06 PM) Jay Cutler is the next Tim Couch.....star QB from a traditional lightweight SEC football school who turns out to be an NFL bust, but becomes a top 10 pick (although Couch was #1 of course) because he padded his stats as the only player on his team. This is how I feel about Cutler as well. I do think he will be a bit better than Couch(as he'll be able to stay in the NFL), but he won't be much. QUOTE(Heads22 @ Jan 28, 2006 -> 02:26 PM) I think Mike Vick (who I think is overrated, unless of course, you're into Madden 06) shows that you need to be able to pass, and the running aspect isn't terribly important. Let's see if he's actually figured out how to pass. Vick has won games in the NFL with his legs, has he not? Vick gets a lot of hate for not being able to pass as well as he should, but as long as he can run, none of that junk matters unless you're a fantasy football guru. And as someone said before, Vick's numbers blow out Steve Young's numbers in the same point of their careers so far.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Jan 27, 2006 -> 11:09 PM) Rotoworld likes the Indian's side of the trade... I like the deal for them as well. Crisp is a great offensive CF, but he sucks defensively at CF. His arm is a noodle. The Indians got Marte, a backup catcher, a decent RP when healthy and a OF who gets on-base at a great clip while giving up a decent OF, a nice RP, a bad backup C and a another bad RP.

Someone should bring up the question during Soxfest. It baffles me that they cannot replace the seats in one offseason while teams build half a stadium in that time. Hell, we changed the roof of the UD at the Cell in one offseason.

QUOTE(Steff @ Jan 28, 2006 -> 02:58 PM) I call Bulls***. The SCORE lowballed Farmer... the Sox didn't have anything to do with the contract offered. And Rooney is right... John refused a contract. A contract that was nearly $150K LESS then he was currently making. YOU'RE BULLs***!

I don't think either trade happens. I think KW was quoted as saying that he isn't looking to trade Count and that he wouldn't take a position player back for him.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Jan 27, 2006 -> 10:24 PM) Oh my, I must disagree. Those blue seats were an eye-sore and looked far too "Cubbie" to be in our ballpark. I like the darker look the park has taken, and the fact that we are putting in the dark green seats now. This is a problem. Too many people want to compare us to the Cubs. Far too many White Sox fans do this too. How is it "Cubbie"? In fact, the Cubs have green seats. Isn't putting in green seats, far more "Cubbie." QUOTE(UC76 @ Jan 27, 2006 -> 11:57 PM) Have you driven by lately? It looks great and MUCH, MUCH better than the blue, IMHO. I pass it everyday on the Rock Island. QUOTE(Beltin'Bill @ Jan 28, 2006 -> 12:59 AM) I know every man is entitled to his own opinion but... how can you even suggest that those crapy blue seats are better than Green ones in a basball park? We were duped when this park first opened and they acted like they kept any character from the old park. The thing I missed the most were the green seats and yellow railing the old Golden Box seating areas. It was long overdue that they go back to their baseball roots and match the seats to the grass. Sorry. I think LMB said it best... QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Jan 28, 2006 -> 08:31 AM) One of the biggest complaints about USCF was that it was too drab. For a while, the only things in that park that had any life to them were the blue seats......and then people b****ed about those. Do the green seats look nicer? That's a matter of personal taste, but you can't tell me dark green is not more drab than a bright blue. Those seats do look too drab. Blue added some color and life IMHO to the place which has been called dark, and gloomy, and lifeless. Do the green seats match the OF wall better? Yeah, but IMO, the wall color should've never been changed either. I don't see fans complaining in Philly about blue seats. It actually looks nice. I'm not saying we should've kept the old seats since the lifespan was up, but we should've replaced them with new blue seats.

QUOTE(Rex Kickass @ Jan 28, 2006 -> 09:56 AM) If the A's signed him for 500K, would it have been so hard for us to do the same? Just asking, don't really know. Could we have maybe offered him a job in the organization? Well Kenny's quote from last night is, "He wouldn't have signed with us for that much." He also went on to say if he did sign for a lesser contract, it wouldn't have been in their best interests. This is me personally, but I rather would have liked to seen Thome at 1B and Thomas DH. Konerko gets into horrible slumps and at times, it boggles me how he does get to 40HR's. And at that, I still wonder how a man with 40HR's, has way less RBI's than guys with 35. That's just my 2 cents. BTW, thanks for the article read kyyle.

He's a top 10 pick, even if he does worse at the combines than a defensive tackle.

QUOTE(jphat007 @ Jan 27, 2006 -> 10:13 PM) Possibly better for the future. You figure he'll be better than his 60 ABs last year. I mean, it's pretty tough to go lower than a .438 OPS. That's close to a Jim Thome OBP. Anyway. I love this deal. THank you Cleveland. ANd thank you Mark Shipiro for throwing Coco under the bus on his way out. LOL. You don't see many GMs saying how awful their player is in a certain aspect of the game on the way out. Honestly, I think the Indians make out like bandits in this deal. Marte looks like he'll be a great one and with him and Peralta on the left side of the field for 10 years, that will be trouble. Crisp was nice offensively, but his defense, from what I've heard(even from Boston fans) is less than desirable. Indians also get a backup catcher and a decent bullpen arm.

QUOTE(Palehosefan @ Jan 27, 2006 -> 10:10 PM) You want to take TT off the rankings, fine. I'll take Fresno State off the rankings, afterall they played powerhouses such as Weber State, New Mexico State, Utah State, Idaho, and San Jose State. You can say any numbers are skewed as about 90% of college football teams play a very weak early season schedule. Vince Young had the best pass efficiency in college football, and actually put up better passing numbers than Jay Cutler. He also put up 42 less rushing yards for his career than Reggie Bush. Is he a polished passing QB? Hardly. But he's shown the ability to check down receivers and even find his tight end. He's also shown a wonderful ability to take what the defense gives him. When USC backed off of the line to stop the pass, he beat them with his feet, when they stacked the line, he found receivers. My favorite attribute of his besides his leadership and charisma, is his ability at 6'5 235 pounds to make defenders miss. That will help him with his health, as he doesn't take many full body shots because he's quick enough to adjust right before the hit. Great post.

QUOTE(Felix @ Jan 27, 2006 -> 09:53 PM) And yet those numbers are also rather skewed. For example, Texas Tech played I-AA teams. Does that mean they really had a great defense? No. It just means their defense could dominate a team in I-AA. Also, Oklahoma's stat is likely the end of the year number, correct? When Texas played them, Oklahoma was struggling a lot. They really picked it up towards the end of the year. That's a really weak argument. The numbers are skewed by maybe 3 slots both ways. That still doesn't even it out in the slightest bit. USC didn't face a defense until Texas and they lost against that team. Texas had faced good defenses throughout the year, and your argument is that Vince Young faced weak defenses in college and he wouldn't be able to do what he did in college, against the NFL, whereas Leinart would translate better due to facing better competition in college which isn't the case. If that's not the argument, please tell me what it is.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Jan 27, 2006 -> 09:46 PM) Gene Honda Civic wrapped it up nicely in the following thread... http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?sh...pic=45866&st=15 Read Post #27 and Post #31. If that's the case(sorry Frank), the guy is f***ing dumb and insane.

QUOTE(Felix @ Jan 27, 2006 -> 09:38 PM) And your point? They both played crappy schedules. They both played crappy defenses. I think Leinart did better against his crappy defenses than Young. And before you reply with QB ratings, think of Grossman and Orton's QB ratings, and what the truth is behind them. If you look at palehousefan's post(thanks for finding that info) you see that Texas played some pretty good defenses. USC played mediocre to bad defenses. I admit they helped skew those numbers, but no way in hell that a team would just from 34 to 13 if USC didn't play them. They probably knocked them behind 3 spots or so. Against those nice defenses: GAME 2 Texas 25, Ohio State 22 GAME 10 Texas 66, Kansas 14 GAME 5 Texas 45, Oklahoma 12 GAME 7 Texas 52, Texas Tech 17 GAME 12 Texas 70, Colorado 3 GAME 4 Texas 51, Missouri 20 GAME 9 Texas 62, Baylor 0 USC: Sep 17 Arkansas Won 70-17 Nov 19 Fresno St. Won 50-42 Sep 24 @Oregon Won 45-13 Oct 15 @Notre Dame Won 34-31 NEXT ARGUMENT!

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Jan 27, 2006 -> 09:34 PM) So you wanted to pay $15 million for our DH position ($10 million option for Thomas + $5 million option for Everett)? Not to mention the $3.25 million that Rowand would cost. So the Sox would be paying a combined $18.25 million for two positions (DH and CF). I sure am glad that you aren't the White Sox GM. Thomas wasn't expecting the 10 million dollar option to be picked up. In fact, everyone knew it wasn't going to be picked up. I don't know why you brought that up. There's a reason why he was bought out. He probably would've gotten around 5 million to stay around. Everett was going to be gone regardless. You would've had a better chance at seeing Rondell White DH on this team before Everett came back.

QUOTE(Felix @ Jan 27, 2006 -> 09:28 PM) By nature, college defenses are slower than those in the NFL. And by the way, Texas also played La Lafayette, Rice, Missouri, Oklahoma (when they were struggling), Colorado (overrated), Texas Tech (played I-AA teams, had no defense, overrated), Oklahoma State, Baylor, Kansas, Texas A&M, and Colorado again. Real good teams! And just as easily as you said that, I could say USC played a bunch of overrated teams as well. All offense, no defense in the Pac-10. I'm pretty sure if I could find defensive team stats that it would show Texas played a tougher schedule against defenses than USC did.

QUOTE(Felix @ Jan 27, 2006 -> 09:16 PM) In previous years, he wasn't a pass first QB. Last year was the first year he truely became a pass first QB, so he doesn't have much experience as one. He turned into one though. He's evolved into a pass first QB. And where do you get all this crap that he faced slow defenses? Are you calling Ohio State's defense slow? Right now you have me scratching my head wondering if you have watched any games outside of the Rose Bowl game against USC.

QUOTE(kevin57 @ Jan 27, 2006 -> 09:18 PM) Shouldn't this be in green? Nope. No sarcasm. I liked the way the blue seats looked. I knew they had to be replaced, but to me, the blue seats were nicer than the green ones.

QUOTE(rangercal @ Jan 27, 2006 -> 09:01 PM) is every seat green now? From what I can tell, every seat from the upper deck and club level is.

I'm sick of more green suggestions. I honestly liked the blue better.

QUOTE(Felix @ Jan 27, 2006 -> 09:04 PM) er, hold on. Editing the post, I posted by accident Well, I'm a traditional guy. I like "small ball" in baseball, and I like pocket QB's in the NFL. Traditionally, players with Vince Young's makeup in previous years (run first, pass second) haven't succeeded in the NFL in terms of passing. Last year, Young looked like a better passer, but he still wasn't that great, and is far from NFL Why do you think this? Leinart had a great year, and was set to win the National Title again, along with the Heisman. He wasn't at USC just to screw around, and I don't know where you came up with that from. Yet you don't realize that Young is a pass first QB who will run if necessary ala Steve McNair, Donovan McNabb, Daunte Culpepper and his potential is better than every one of those guys.