nitetrain8601

QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Jan 27, 2006 -> 05:43 PM) Ive been watching Grossman since he was playing under Spurrier. I think Young could be a better QB than Grossman day 1. I know you think Young will bust, there just does not seem to be any reason to that statement. Here are the projected top 3 QB's stats from last year: CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT 283 431 3815 65.7 8.85 67 28 8 17 157.74 212 325 3036 65.2 9.34 75 26 10 13 163.95 273 462 3073 59.1 6.65 47 21 9 23 126.07 Can you decide which one is Young, Leinart, or Cutler just off the numbers? I think you would be suprised. Leinart Young Cutler

QUOTE(fathom @ Jan 27, 2006 -> 05:24 PM) I hate Vick. I don't even think Grossman is anything special. Vick is the most overrated player in all of sports. And again, I think my record on soxtalk shows that I'm anything but a homer. You hate Vick, that's nice. But you also want to win games. Vick wins games alone. I know he isn't the greatest passer ever, but he could still throw the ball down to Crumpler and he's faster than 90% of the defense in the league. Vick > Schuab >>Grossman

QUOTE(fathom @ Jan 27, 2006 -> 05:02 PM) Considering I'm probably the last person to ever be called a homer, I'm going to call you out on this. All you have to do is use your own f***ing eyes, and you can see that Grossman can be a pretty damn good QB in this league. If both players are healthy and I had to win one game, I would take Grossman over Michael Vick in a heartbeat. Grossman might not make the highlight play, but he's not going to beat his own team like Vick might do. Grossman over Vick? Wow. I know what DukeNukeEm is talking about now.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jan 27, 2006 -> 05:00 PM) Frank's gonna hit 52 homers this year in Oakland when we can't even remember the last time he was healthy? I said I hope he does. I realize he hasn't been completely healthy since around 2002 when he belted 40 something. It's possible, especially if he goes on the tear he did last year because his shots were not only HR's, but deeeeep HR's.

I don't mind him saying anything. He's been a part of this team his whole career. I hope he gets his 500th this year. If the White Sox don't win it, I hope Oakland does with a healthy Frank.

Everyone starts off a bandwagon jumper. Whether it's because your parents were fans of that team or the fact that team was a winner when you decided to become a fan of theirs, it's still bandwagoning. I don't mind any fans at all. If a fan doesn't know something, then you just help educate them on it so they could help out other fans.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Jan 27, 2006 -> 04:43 PM) Young isn't anywhere near as fast as Vick and the faster linebackers in the NFL can still catch Vick. If Young tries to be Vick, he will be caught and he will get injured sooner or later. Actually, Vick runs a 4.3 IIRC and Young for a fact runs a 4.4. So much for not being anywhere as fast though, right? And Young has height and weight on Vick. But again, people act like Young is a run first QB, which he is not.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jan 26, 2006 -> 09:44 PM) Bmac has control of 4 pitches that he can throw for strikes. Cotts has 2 pitches, and up until last year had a real hard time controlling them for strikes. Bmac has shown command and control of more than 2 pitches. He has a great changeup and is a bulldog out there. Neal up until last year had a hard time finding the strikezone. His stuff was always there, his control wasnt. In the bullpen he can get away with 2 good pitches and facing batters maybe once. In the bullpen he doesnt have a long time to overthink, Coop calls down to the pen, Cave gets Cotts up. In a few minutes he can be in the game. BMac has 4 pitches that he can throw for strikes? Curveball, Fastball(which gets hammered once he goes away from his changeup), and a mediocre changeup. What's the last pitch? I don't remember Cotts' repotoire, but I thought he has like 3 good pitches. I know one of them is a cutter.

QUOTE(q\/\/3r+y @ Jan 26, 2006 -> 10:29 PM) Blount> the bust. Davis> the overpaid scrub of a small foward tht has spent his entire career with the timberwolves. Marcus banks is just an added bonus... not to mention the timberwolves got rid of two players they want no part of and a ridiculously expensive one in wally. Blount is horrible and any Boston fan will tell you that. Plus his contract is for 4 more years IIRC. Horrible, horrible contract. Davis is a nice player, but he's not the difference between wins and losses IMHO. Olowakandi is horrible, but this is his last year on his deal. Wally has been playing pretty decent this year, but has a big contract(11, 12, 13 million). Other 2 guys are scrubs. Boston also gets a 1st rounder from Minnesota. Minny gets 2 future 2nd rounders. Again, a lot of activity, but if you look at it deeper, no one really wins or losses. It's a lateral move for both teams.

Lots of players moving around, but in the end, doesn't mean much. Not much in terms of quality being upgraded.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Jan 26, 2006 -> 09:31 PM) And barely anything is known about Anderson Gomes so how can anyone say that he's a good prospect yet? Right now, he's just a prospect. Fine, since you want to dismiss them, let's dismiss them. There's still enough guys to fill the spots and not suck.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Jan 26, 2006 -> 09:18 PM) Okay, what specifically makes Gomes and Sanchez good prospects instead of just prospects? I'm curious. Tools and skillset. Of course it's also projecting right now.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Jan 26, 2006 -> 09:17 PM) I never compared Milledge to Anderson or Sweeney. I was comparing Milledge to Sanchez and Gomes. Unlike Sanchez and Gomez, Milledge has put up good numbers at high A and AA. Sanchez was bad in a rookie league and Gomes has never even had an AB in the minors. That was my point. And I was talking about OF depth and how Milledge is not needed. Is he closer than Sanchez or Gomes? Yes. But he's not needed at all for this organization.

QUOTE(Felix @ Jan 26, 2006 -> 09:14 PM) Why trade for a worse Mike Vick? Without the crappy defenses and good Texas o-line, Young is going to be in trouble. And it will be funny to watch. Yeah, because he wasn't tearing up Ohio State's defense earlier in the year and Michigan's in the previous year's Rose Bowl. Vince Young is a legit great prospect at QB.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Jan 26, 2006 -> 09:05 PM) Ready for what? Their third stint in AAA? What proof is there that either one will be ready in 5 years? Just curious. What proof is there that Milledge will do any better than Anderson or Sweeney? Fact is, he's not a need, he's not worth giving up an important piece to the puzzle for and the White Sox will survive without him.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Jan 26, 2006 -> 09:01 PM) How are Salvador Sanchez and Anderson Gomes good outfield prospects? One was bad in a rookie league and the other has never even had an AB in the minors. They'll be ready in 5 years. Right now, there is no need whatsoever for Milledge.

QUOTE(Felix @ Jan 26, 2006 -> 08:50 PM) You said that the Sox have a bunch of OF talent in the minors. I assumed that you meant we had a bunch of good outfield prospects in the minors. If my assumption was wrong, I'm sorry, but if not, then what are you talking about? I said in our minors because people act like we didn't have any there and then I later went on to say our system. Fact is this, we have these guys: Podsednik Anderson Dye Borchard Owens Sweeney Gomes(not ready yet though) Sanchez(same) And that's just off the top of the head. Milledge is not needed. At most within the next 2 years, we need 2 OFs and I expect Anderson and Sweeney to be manning those spots.

QUOTE(Felix @ Jan 26, 2006 -> 08:29 PM) Name a top outfielder in our system that isn't named Brian Anderson or Ryan Sweeney. I guess there's Jerry Owens, but still. Our minor league outfield depth isn't that big anymore with the trade of Young. So you want me to name OF's without naming the top 2? Okay, take out Jose Contreras' bad starts and he's a great pitcher. Consider this, most of our team last year did not even come from our system. You don't think the White Sox would sign a FA OF?

I guess I missed the part when the White Sox traded all of their OF options in the minors and Brian Anderson which makes us need Lastings Milledge, now more than ever, even though he probably won't be ready until 2007. Oh crap, I just did my research and that didn't happen. Give me the guy who will help us right away. It's not like we're an Oakland who have to find bargains and trade guys on their last year of their contract. Ask yourself this guys, is Milledge going to help us get to the championship more than Jose next year?(not that I'm saying we're winning a WS) I honestly don't think so. Contreras is much more of a need for next year than Milledge and when you're concentrating on trying to create a dynasty, you go with the players who give you the best shots now, not later. Especially when you have a bunch of OF's in your system.

He was also having Jake Delhomme QB him and was in the Carolina offense.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jan 26, 2006 -> 03:09 PM) Did Crede hire you as his publicist? I wish.

QUOTE(Steve Bartman's my idol @ Jan 26, 2006 -> 02:30 PM) I'd love to see the Bears get him. Would you take a chance at T.O.? If I'm the Bears, yes. It seems like Mushin Muhammed is like a Peerless Price type player in which they would excel at being a #2 WR.

QUOTE(Felix @ Jan 26, 2006 -> 02:02 PM) So wait, you don't want to trade a pitcher who has had 1 spectacular half of a year while being average the rest of the time for argueably the best outfield prospect in the league because he doesn't have Barry Bonds power in the minors? Delmon Young is the best OF prospect in the league by far. I think everyone would agree with that.

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sp...-home-headlines

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 26, 2006 -> 10:58 AM) Anyone else have the feeling that BMac will record a non-trivial amount of saves this year? I still think he'll wind up being a starter very early in this season though. Nope. I've been telling people since the offseason started that he would be in the bullpen. Everyone kept telling me that he would be a starter, bank on it. Here's more proof. He isn't starting unless someone gets injured badly. At that, he won't be nothing more than a spot starter.