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QUOTE(qwerty @ Apr 10, 2005 -> 03:59 PM) Resigning your own players does not cut into the mle i believe? If that is the case we would have nothing left after resigning both chandler and curry. I know we have the full mle for free agents next year. And the Lower Level Exception which we could sign Jason with.

QUOTE(El Piervizdyeguchansodnik @ Apr 10, 2005 -> 03:55 PM) Ramirez better not do that every time he hits a ball hard. :headshake I think he should. Just to mock Sammy. I loved it when Valentin mocked Sammy.

I have a feeling the Twins will win this because the White Sox don't do good on National TV. Then again, neither did the Bulls up until this year. Here's hoping we win!

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Apr 10, 2005 -> 03:48 PM) NICE WORK BARRETT HE GAWN! Go Grab Some Bench!!

It would definately hurt DePaul. He doesn't need to move because he could turn them into a perennial Tourney team and possible Final Four team. His recruiting skills are that good. He just has to wait until alllll of his recruits are in.

QUOTE(rangercal @ Apr 10, 2005 -> 03:43 PM) if ramirez doesnt hop hes had 3rd with 1 out. But he's a Cub and he was kind of willing that ball to go out.

QUOTE(qwerty @ Apr 10, 2005 -> 03:23 PM) Is williams worth cutting into our mle? That is the question. I think we are set at point guards with duhon and pargo and another third string guy if you wish. We need thhe mle for a bigger body. Duhon's also a FA. Jason would cut into the LLE which is 1.5. I don't know if Pargo will be here after this year considering he got little time. I also don't see Frank Williams back. He'll be taking their money. Othella Harrington will probably end up with the team taking the MLE(at least part of it).

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Apr 10, 2005 -> 03:39 PM) So Aramis that was a cute little hop...especially when the ball doesn't get out. That was great.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Apr 10, 2005 -> 03:14 PM) I just don't know with these Eddy-bashers... No one does.

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Apr 10, 2005 -> 02:22 PM) its ok if you guys hate Eddy Curry... but you all are clearly letting your hate get in the way of all the positives EC does for the team.... and than say crap like he is going to suck again after his contract year with absolutely no proof... unless you know EC personally and he told you that after this year he is going to eat at McDonalds everyday what you say is void. Exactly, Eddy has whipped himself into shape because he knows that he would be traded in an instant if he were to resort to his ways. And the guy has lost 30-40 pounds over the summer and gained more muscle. Don't tell me he has no work ethic. Skiles has even said it has improved. The only thing Skiles didn't like last offseason was that he was at Hoop the Gym playing with Jordan still.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Apr 10, 2005 -> 01:39 PM) He also averages about a facial per game... How can anyone be that tall and play so f***ing soft??? Exactly why I would rather have Curry for this team. He's more physical and uses his size more. If it's straight up and I'm starting a whole new team, I would go with Yao, but the Bulls are a physical team(offensively and defensively), which is rather why I would take Curry for this team. And again, you ain't going to get Yao for Curry. And Yao isn't leaving the west either. If he leaves the Rockets it will be for the Lakers.

QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Apr 10, 2005 -> 01:19 PM) Yep, me and qwerty clearly don't follow the Bulls. Could you be any more presumptuous? Okay, maybe I can break it down for you. There are 12 to 14 shooting guards in this league who average more rebounds per game than Eddy Curry. Let's see, off the top of my head, there's Bobby Freaking Sura, Jason Richardson, Quentin Richardson, Paul Pierce, Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, Steve Francis, Dwyane Wade, etc. Atlanta Hawks rookie SG Josh Childress is already a better rebounder than the 7'0 Eddy Curry. Curry DOES NOT have a knack for rebounding, he's not passionate about winning, he doesn't have a respectable work ethic unless it's his contract year, etc. He's really a big dope, no offense to the guy. In the current NBA, what we have is a major scoring drought at the C position. That, and that alone, is the only thing that makes Curry valuable. Is he worth a max contract on the strength of time and place? Nope, and please, stop yourself from uttering some nonsense about the LA Clippers just because those who actually know their s*** are unwilling to flush our future down the toilet!!! Who is talking about trading Dalembert for Curry straight up? I'd like Dalembert for 25 minutes a night at 5 million per season. I don't even want him out there on the court with Chandler unless it's in the 4th quarter. The guy projects out to be a rebounding/defensive monster. More than one publication was comparing him to Ben Wallace before the season started. While it's pretty f***ing far-fetched to compare Dalembert to one of the top 10 defensive players in the history of basketball (or at least since the merger), you've gotta know that he was killing people last year when he got the minutes. How old is he right now, like 23? It took him a good 30 games to learn O'Brien's run-and-fun-and-gun system. He's out of his element. He's a half court defender, which is precisely what we're all about. You think that he's regressing? Hmmm, tht's interesting. And Shaq is the only center that you'd trade Curry for? Hey man, what about Yao Ming? You must have forgotten about dude, yeah? Just because there's a leaguewide scoring drought at C doesn't mean that we have to give a max contract to a guy with no heart. Everyone in Philly thinks so. I've seen the man play and he isn't anything that was touted. There's a reason why he was a sidekick to Eddie Griffin at Seton Hall. Oh wait, it must've taken him time to learn how to play college ball. Curry has been giving you consistant offense since he came in the league. This year he learned how to box out and stick with his man and know when to switch. That's what we call progress. What has Dally learned this year? Not much. Yeah, you talk about Curry being a guy who just does offense, and then you bring Yao into the conversation??? Yao gets dunked on by everyone. He isn't anything special defensively. He's just as good as Eddy defensively if not worse. You don't hear as much about it because they are winning. Eddy's also more physical. Dalembert and Chandler do the exact same thing. There's a reason Curry will get more money than Dalembert: Because he's the better player. You ever think of it that way??? Probably not. Dalembert is not even better than Chandler defensively or rebounding wise and he isn't better than Curry on offense. That means Dalembert is not needed. Of course there is going to be holes in everyone's game. Eddy is learning however in which I don't see Dally's offense coming around ever. Eddy will be getting more dough because he deserves it. Same with Chandler.

QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Apr 10, 2005 -> 11:52 AM) OMG, all we need around here is another guy who doesn't know his basketball. Christ, the nooobies are coming out of the woodwork lately and just taking a collective s*** on these here threads. You're even worse than Sleepy. :banghead Yeah, too bad you're that person along with qwerty who speak out of your ass and clearly do not follow Bulls basketball. I know basketball. Clearly almost everyone here watches enough Bulls games. Clearly Skiles and Pax know what they are seeing. It's been mentioned everywhere that Eddy does box out, but his problem is going after the ball after boxing out. He clears the lane for his guys to get the rebound. And also remember, you're not going to have all 12 of your guys averaging 8 rebounds a game. It would be nice, but that would mean that the other team got absolutely zero rebounds in the game or it was a horribly played offensive game. There's only one center(Shaq) that I would trade Curry for and in all those trades, someone else would have to be included. This is a coming from a guy who hated Eddy at the beginning of the year. If you hate Eddy because he beat you up and stole your lunch money one day, that's fine, but to say that he's not a good basketball player or you would trade him for Sam Dalembert in a heartbeat it just plain idiotic. Go ask how many Philly fans who they would prefer. 3'4ths of the fans would say Curry.

He was what Barry Bonds is back then in the AL.

I gave him propz and will continue to. I think he's a solid bench player.

I say we go for Jamaal Brown as well with Pollack being a close 2nd.

QUOTE(Palehosefan @ Apr 10, 2005 -> 10:45 AM) Woah, I'm sure thats not quite what you meant to say. But as Heat fan, I can disagree 100% with that. We were worried someone else would scoop up Brian Grant so we offered him the max, same for Eddie Jones. I realize Eddy is much younger than those two, but don't just sign someone to a max deal because you are afraid to lose them. That could get you in major trouble for years to come, the Heat were lucky to end up in a good position. There is a weakness in the NBA in centers, and I can see why Eddy would get some max offers, but do you know how he will respond once he gets the safety net of a huge contract? Its a big gamble, tough decision. Well yeah. I'm not saying we should sign everyone to a huge contract like Chris Duhon. But you can't say, no, I don't want to sign him because he'll cost alot. If you take everything into account(progression, current state, age) and it all says, he's still got room for improvement and is already a top 5 player at his position, then I say you sign him to a near-max deal. Especially with the CBA possibly being changed to where Max deals are only 5 years.

We swept them last year. It doesn't mean a thing guys. We have to get these wins and the wins in the summer. This is a nice start, but let's not talk s*** yet guys.

It's hard to pick between Liefer, Schoenweis, and Mark Johnson

QUOTE(YASNY @ Apr 10, 2005 -> 09:11 AM) Until Jay can prove he can make it back to the NBA, I'll keep Duhon. Well they could probably keep both. I would sign Jay as a 3rd PG.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Apr 10, 2005 -> 04:07 AM) I'll ask this question in another way. Is Eddy Curry worth more than double of Sam Dalembert, because he's going to re-signed for more than double of what Dalembert is probably going to get. He sure as hell is. As someone else stated, Dalembert has regressed while Curry has progressed every year. Especially this year. His defense has gotten much better. Is he an NBA All-Defensive First Teamer?? No, but he doesn't blow coverage that much anymore and he has gotten key defensive stops for this team.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Apr 10, 2005 -> 03:31 AM) For rangercal because when in rome.... Now here's the argument on Dalembert; He's NOT going to get a max contract, like Eddy Curry will. He could be had for the mid - level exception for the next 5 seasons. Do you think Golden State would have loved to give him that instead of forking out $40 million over 6 years for THE Adonal Foyle? For those who think he scores nothing but dunks, have a look at the stats; Eddy Curry - 16.1 points, 5.4 rebounds, .92 blocks per game, 730 FG's attempted Sam Dalembert - 8.2 points, 7.6 rebounds, 1.69 blocks per game (he had 2.3 blocks per game last season). He ranks 13th in the NBA for rebounds per 48 mins (14.6), and 12th in the NBA for blocks per 48 mins (3.27). Now Dalembert has had 300 less shots than Eddy Curry this year, and if he came to the Bulls that number would rise. AI would have at least 20 shots per game, and Webber would have about 15, plus you've got Korver lighting up from the outside, and Jackson and Igoudola. When Eddy Curry is on the court, the Bulls are 2.1% worse off. When he is off the court, the Bulls are 3.2% better off. When Sam Dalembert is on the court, the 76ers and 0.9% better off. When he is off the court, they are 2.9% worse off. This site shows the diff in stats b/w the two; Salembert is +1.3 above the average (*PER), while Curry is +4.2, the main difference being Curry is down in rebounding, turnovers, blocks and assists, but he's way ahead in scoring. The Bulls have to decide whether or not they are willing to live with Curry's shortcomings in the other areas of his game other than his scoring. http://www.82games.com/04CHI13C.HTM How do Curry and Chandler play on the same court together? Not good, at a -7, something to keep in mind for the future. http://www.82games.com/0405CHIP.HTM Looking at PER Diff vs. On / Off Court Diff, Curry comes off with a -1.8, while Dalembert has a +1.2. http://www.82games.com/0405CHI2.HTM Funny how Eddy is on everyone of our top four 5-man units and 7 of our top 10 5-man units. He must be a detriment. Not. Just because you don't want to sign someone to a near max deal is a dumb reason not to sign someone. Again, if you feel that way, become a Clippers fan and ask the others how they feel on that. Even Shaq has praised him. Dalembert simply doesn't equal Eddy. AI would probably love to have Eddy as well. And qwerty, Eddy doesn't box out or pick good??? It's amazing how you have the NBA package so you could see nearly every game. Clearly you have missed all Bulls games this season.

Use him in RF/LF every 3 days straight. Basically use him as a 4th OFer and have him play 3 games in a row and then sit 1 or 2. Get some 1B in for him.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Apr 9, 2005 -> 10:32 PM) IF the Bulls found another presence that could score in the low post. Say getting a Donyell Marshall who can shoot the outside shot and do some low post work or a shareef. They could play them at the 3 part of the time and give enough of a presence to prevent the double teamings. Plus Luol and Nocioni are both slashers and then they have enough to worry about. Plus with two guys that can crash the boards like Dalembert and Chandler, I don't think you could see too many double teams on the outside simply because they would be leaving the Bulls players open for so many offensive boards and tip backs. And I must admit on the defensive side, those two would just shut down the opponents drive. Then you have Noc, Deng, Hinrich and Duhon shutting down the permiter game. These guys may be young, but they are already some of the better perimeter defenders and I often here Hinrich's name amongst the very best (from other coaches in their quotes) and then of course Gordon whose a flat shooter. I also see reason in sticking with Curry. He's a monster of an offesnive player. Simply put the guy has all kind of touch around the hoop, good quickness, good athlete. I do think he's a better at boxing out that some people give him credit for. He's not great, but he also is lazy when it comes to going after the basketball. He tends to wait for it to come to him. And defensively he's made strides this year. He's not dominate, but he's made strides. I also see reason to worry about having two inept offensive players in the low post on offense. I mean it really can go both ways, imo and Eddy at 22 has lots of growth to make. Easier said than done, especially at the C position. Dalembert and Tyson are too thin to handle C's on a full time basis. They don't have much weight to carry around. So sure they might swat some balls, but when they face a Shaq or Curry or Z or Yao, or anyone with lots of body mass, they would get handled. Add that to the lack on inside offense(donyell really is a Chris Webber type as in he'll shoot the jumper rather than drive and dunk) and you're asking for tons of trouble. Don't matter though. Paxson was heard saying that he is keeping the core together.

I love Carl Everett. We need to start his own fan group.