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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 28, 2014 -> 10:00 PM) Way to miss the forest for the trees. I am equating taking the same "profession" and asking them to do two completely different things within that profession. Tex is a middle school teacher. Asking him to teach K on a moments notice is akin to asking your middle reliever to close. I think you're comparing apples & oranges. Yes I agree it's important that a bullpen have clearly defined roles, if the situation lends itself to it. Due to injuries and ineffectiveness in 2014 for the White Sox, the situation wasn't ideal for clearly defined roles. So I think Robin and the rest of the coaching staff did the best with what they had to work with. And the results were often ugly. Is coming in for the 8th inning really COMPLETELY DIFFERENT than coming in for the 7th? I agree that the closer role is specialized and yes, you could make the argument that it's completely different than pitching in a set-up role. But to say that because Belisario was pitching in the 8th instead of the 6th, or because Lindstrom was pitching in the 7th instead of the 8th, that was the reason for their struggles - I think is an excuse, and a rather flimsy one, for their failures.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 28, 2014 -> 10:01 PM) How is this even a question? The first is clearly better, and having his team let him down. The second is clearly bad, but lucky. ..... So which would you rather be?

QUOTE (Reddy @ Dec 28, 2014 -> 01:34 AM) And yet they don't matter when evaluating pitchers? I never said that. Would you rather be 7-15 with a 2.00 ERA, or 20-3 with a 4.75 ERA?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 28, 2014 -> 10:48 AM) If I took you and shoved you into a classroom of Kindergarteners, how much notice would you need to be fully effective? Afterall, it is just teaching kids, right? Equating grown professional men with 5 year olds? lol

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 16, 2014 -> 08:43 AM) How many statistics are out there for quantifying manager effectiveness? Just two. The first is called Wins. The second is called Losses. That's all that matters.

QUOTE (Al Lopez's Ghost @ Dec 27, 2014 -> 05:55 PM) I think Avi could be the key to turning our offense from a good one to a terrific one. Completely agree. I think he's one of the 3 cornerstones of 2015 being successful for the Sox. His health and production along with Chris Sale staying relatively healthy, and our bullpen being as improved as we all hope it will be. If those 3 come together, we'll be playing meaningful Fall baseball.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 22, 2014 -> 09:57 AM) If we hadn't acquired Me.Cabrera, we'd have about a 68 page thread on SD's "expendable" outfielders. Thank god we were spared that at least. Kind of boring when we only have the back end of the rotation, 3B, C, 2B and Avy Garcia to wring our hands about. What exactly is wrong with Tyler at C, again? We have a payroll of approx $110M. You can't have all-stars at every position and stud #4 and #5 pitchers if you have a $210M payroll, even. Tyler is fine. Conor at 3B is fine. Avi just needs to play. 2B I think the Sox should go with whoever is better defensively, and hope they get some offense out of him. So probably Sanchez? Who knows. But show me a team out there that has studs at every position with no question marks. Please?

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Dec 20, 2014 -> 02:55 AM) Thanks for the pro tip. Y/W

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Dec 17, 2014 -> 09:27 PM) Why spend $8M? We Jane internal options Jane? Sounds hot.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Dec 20, 2014 -> 02:09 AM) 7 years? Yeesh, not going anywhere near that. I wouldn't want to go any more than 5 years. Then see ya, Samardzija. If you want to lure upper tier pitchers these days, you have to go outside your comfort level and give them more than you'd ideally "want' to do. Otherwise you won't get any of them.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Dec 18, 2014 -> 06:19 PM) I would not call Flowers and Gillaspie huge gaps offensively. They are fine for a contending team. Look at the Giants, they had some holes in the line up when looking at it on paper and they still won. Royals had holes in their line up and made it to the WS. Yeah, really. Unless your payroll is $175-$200M, you're going to have SOME question marks. That's just the way it is. I don't think Flowers or Conor are going to be our biggest problems in 2015, and if they are? Get ready for some late October baseball on the South Side.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 14, 2014 -> 08:38 PM) Someone missed the joke there. Clearly. This whole thread seems like a joke, though, so hard to tell who's pretending to be ignorant and who's certifiable.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Dec 14, 2014 -> 05:05 PM) So many double standards in here. Nah, consistent and no hypocrisy at all.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 14, 2014 -> 05:12 PM) The umpire was wrong, but JD sold it. If he didn't want to cheat, he could have just told the umpire the truth. LOL!!!!!!!!!!

I'd love to see the Sox go out and sign Ichiro as our 4th OF. Then obviously dump Viciedo for whatever we can get and call it an off-season. Either way, I give the front office a grade of a solid A for their work over the past 4-6 weeks. Well done.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Dec 14, 2014 -> 01:55 PM) I really hate Flowers, that guy took roids and tries to frame pitches, the ultimate cheater. Framing pitches is cheating? LOL

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Dec 1, 2014 -> 10:07 PM) Shark at 6 years $105 million (17.5 per season)will be a bargain compared to what Scherzer is about to get. If that would be enough to sign him long term, personally I hope the Sox would trade any prospect not named Rodon for him. What percent of prospects pan out? Especially Sox prospects! Samardzija is a known quantity, entering the prime years of his career, and yes, $17.5M would indeed be a bargain, as amazing as it is to say that. Years of Sale, Samardzija, Quintana, Rodon, and whoever would be a perennial contender. If that's what it takes, do it. If they can't lock him up to a contract straight away, though, don't risk it. A 1 year rental isn't what this Sox team should do. They aren't good enough to justify that.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 20, 2013 -> 12:49 PM) Alot of that is because apparently Dunn relaxes and hits better when in the field, at least thats a theory. Newsflash to the Sox brass: it isn't working.

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Aug 28, 2012 -> 12:11 AM) I haven't heard him use some of those in a while. Bolingbrook bounce, Matt Abattacola etc. Yeah he uses Can of Corn a lot, pretty much every game. The others just have to come naturally. There isn't a duck snort every game, ya know.

QUOTE (Vance Law @ Mar 7, 2009 -> 09:13 PM) Yes it does. It happens all the time. Every season. That's relief pitching. For 3 relievers on the same team? Every season? All the time? Please provide a specific example to support that statement.

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Mar 7, 2009 -> 11:41 AM) You're so right. Players never have career years unless they are on roids. Please, find another sport. You're right, it's impossible. And I never said roids. I love baseball and the White Sox, but I'm also realistic about things. Not blinded by biases and loyalties.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Mar 7, 2009 -> 03:17 AM) Bullpens ARE fickle from year to year. Neal Cotts has never had anything more than a 92 MPH fastball and a mediocre curve. He was good in 2005 because the hitch in his delivery made it appear as though the ball was coming out much faster, and it was hard to pick up. He stopped doing that sometime during the 2006 season, perhaps because it hurt, and he got his s*** lit up. It's pretty simple. Hermanson had always been a very solid pitcher and he had some pretty solid years with the Expos and Cardinals as I seem to recall (don't have B-R open). He was an absolutely dynamite reliever for 3 months and was then just a very solid reliever. Cliff Politte had a couple solid seasons with the Phillies and Blue Jays, and had a fantastic season with the Sox. When you have a 98 MPH fastball, you can have years like that. He was probably the best reliever in baseball that season. There are 3 perfectly reasonable explanations for those 3 pitchers. Do you still think they were taking PEDs? Yes, I do think there's a better than good chance they were using. You don't go from being mediocre at best (Cotts & Hermanson, as Politte had some success before 2005 like you pointed out) to absolutely lights out, then back to mediocre at best unless you're cutting corners somewhere. Just doesn't happen.

The winner of American Idol, Season 7?

Eh I've said this before, but I think Cotts was one of a few Sox bullpen guys from 2005 that were "enhancing" themselves with something. He, along with Dustin and Cliff, came virtually out of nowhere to post phenomenal numbers. And spare me the "bullpens are fickle from year to year" and "this happens all the time" garbage. Look at their stats before 2005, and their stats after 2005, and tell me it doesn't at least look suspicious. But to answer your question, no, I don't think you're in the majority when you say you miss Neal Cotts.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Mar 4, 2009 -> 10:31 PM) Beckham is awesome, but this quote made me sad. He was speaking of Harold Baines. He has a little more education to go through and to get to the "T" section of White Sox player history. Lovin' Beckham though. Frank > Harold. That is all.