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My bad, I am also pro long term pitcher deals though so I concur it would have been good. I think many thought he was a 4/80 guy and one year wonder (eh 1.5). That said I wouldn’t make this deal for DeGrom. And since it’s another team, hope it doesn’t work out.

I don’t recall anyone thinking it was a bargain, especially with the fifth year. This board usually trashed every pitcher deal.

and yet when that deal was announced

I oughtta watch the Mariners more. Was surprised to see Toro here as I thought he was good, but that's because he had like a good first week right after his trade and that was about the last time I watched a mariners game.

Michael Wacha is 30!

lol what a year

Blown away by this acting like Perez is bad because he's being downgraded for the very reason you all think grandal was overhyped. It's like people saying yadi was bad at defense last 5 years. Nobody who watched the game believes that. Perez controls the game behind there, we haven't had that in ....

without looking it up someone tell me how old they think michael wacha is

I agree. But other franchises have done this "we're at an impasse, lets get what we can now and just sign someone else for control". I would not mind sox doing this because then we have to worry that they'll even put out a QO to get a 2nd rounder.

There are a number of free agent pitchers, many will likely sign a contract.

Perez is good.

I think this is actually possible. Unfortunately I think it will be a disaster, but yes I agree about it.

Well, if you aren't talking about this as a costcutting measure, the reason you would trade Gio is it is clear you will not re-sign him. He has been the rare sox to enter FA, and the other was Rodon, and Rodon is gone (after the detour). So you could also just say "we are going to trade Giolito away because we won't re-sign him, get value back, and sign a different pitcher we can get for the next 3-4 years". If you are just completely capped, you probably aren't trading Giolito it's true.

That would be 30 more than the rest of our lineup can play

Well Clevinger sucked last year but pitched way less innings and got 1 year 12 million, more than Giolito will make. Zach Eflin was way more competent but still more of a #4, except it has been 3 years since he has thrown as many innings as Giolito last year. He got 3 years 40. I'm sure many-a team are looking at a pitcher who had some bad luck despite the worse stuff and is still a rare workhorse (in modern times) who has quite a bit higher ceiling. And if you are a competitive team, $10mil is cheap. So yes I think he has good value to trade, but not a top 100 guy type return

That's what I mentioned, swapping out for them a 3 year liability for a 1.

Perez is getting crushed for framing, but had half the number of runners take off on him than Yas and a better passed ball score. Based off the discussion on the board about how yaz was a classic example of analytics failing what we could all see, I am not surprised to see how it is now being used to showcase how it's failing perez. oh noes

Salvy would be a much needed presence that demands things lacking on this team like "paying attention during the baseball game" though. The "setting an example by paying attention while half the team is not paying attention" wasn't working, imo. His contract is not good, but if we didn't have that contract, it's true we could sign a redemption fifth starter with that money. Or a 30+ year old slap hitting infielder. Or an outfielder who can only hit one site of a platoon. These are tough tough calls.

Eh, I think this tracks so far with last few years. The $6-$8 mill happens in feb. Remember braves jumping on Smyly for 1 yr $10 mill for like 8 IP a few years ago? Anyone teams think have potential go for $10-$16 mil. Surprise to me is Eflins years.

I think salvy would be good for this team. Very good. I think you also pay the price to move Grandal and KC swaps the 3 year liability for a 1 year.

So eflin getting traded in 24 got it (to the braves)

Dang didn’t realize how little Eflin has pitched last few years. Not sure I have any idea what prices will be this year. So many competing teams.

The only good trade would be Keuchel for tatis, sadly

I think the twins will be one of the more interesting teams to watch. Falvey has had success but I think a lot will ride on this year because there doesn't seem like there is much after it. Other teams I'm interested in: - Not sure what Marlins are this year - Not sure what Dbacks are this year

probably worth mentioning that the last time we were using the rule 5 was when we were ostensibly competing and had bad depth in AAA so yes I would expect it to be used. Probably would have in 2020/21 if not for it not existing.