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I wouldn't be shocked necessarily. There are a lot of teams competing this year, and when you think of those like Paxton 1 yr 16 mill, Hamels 1 year 16 mill deals, I could see a team that is under the luxury tax going to those levels. But I wouldn't be surprised if Cueto goes for multiple years and is closer to a 2 for 20 type set-up.

good for jose's hall of fame case.

Actually it's completely relevant because the entire issue of the Reinsdorf white sox is doing this mental accounting where there is this assumption that they will not have a payroll in 2024 unless they explicitly sign players to it. The starting pitching class is strong this year, and next year you are losing Giolito and Lynn is one year older. But as soon as you sign someone, that means Jerry can't pretend that he won't field a team next year.

lol no

Because next year they'll totally fill it internally and not do the same song and dance.

the sox will think this is cheap and that makes me nervous. They constantly say to themselves "I'd rather pay $12 million for Clevinger than $17 for Bassitt" or whatever and then they'll have ended up paying way more for the production they get than the team that signed the "market rate" option.

Well, of priorities now, MLB is not in the top ten. Not saying much but you know it's true. The main bummer of yesterday was mainly that the season truly is over. Now we know how much we truly can have with tanking, and obviously getting a trade like the dolphins received would be a huge boon. Or getting a dominant edge for cheap like Will Anderson. So it's hard to even want Fields to carve up packers. Kinda just want Semien.

anyway the fact that financials haven't leaked lead me to believe the agent doesn't have much to brag about so that's probably good.

"It doesn't bother me that he went out in the context of it not being a big deal now, so it doesn't matter that his clubhouse turned against him for compromising a playoff run by being an idiot and lying to his teammates about it". Happy for Clev that he is now a white sox so a portion of this board will soon turn to "HE WAS A FREEDOM FIGHTER FOR DON DOIN WHAT HE DID!"

Yea, and let’s be clear, part of why some of us are open to trading Gio is due to not even getting a QO out to Rodon.

Both right tackles, claypool

Unfortunately the bears lost like half their team today. Brutal. f*** that field and the jets.

Probably got treatment and realized he could go

Extremely funny to me NYJ are going to convince themselves that Mike white is incredible based on moving the ball against the bears d who lost even more of their only effective players.

Trust in our defense.

Lol

“Swing for the fences”

No I think Hahn is a rubbish GM. I think the unfortunate thing for us compared to other fandoms is when we say “Sox never trade guys at their peak” we are covering ourselves against a 23 year history of the same regime instead of “x GM never trades guys at their peak”. But yeah my main thing is the only actual helpful item Sox could do this year is fire Hahn.

Sale, Quintana, Eaton

Extremely nervous about this guy, but have been unimpressed with padres and their pitchers. Wouldn’t be surprised if Katz is confident about him.

Donaldson is really the cherry

I’ve always found Kepler extremely handsome. Maybe that gives us some Scotty Pods like luck.

LMAO https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-hot-stove-trade-proposals-2022 A South Side shakeup White Sox get: 2B Gleyber Torres, 3B Josh Donaldson, $10.8 million Yankees get: 3B Yoán Moncada, RHP Jimmy Lambert You want to get nuts? Let’s get nuts. With Anthony Volpe and Oswald Peraza in the Yankees’ near or immediate middle-infield picture, Torres is a good candidate to get moved this winter. And a White Sox team for which second base has been a problematic position for more than a decade is an obvious fit. Perhaps there’s a more direct swap to be had here in which the Sox send prospects and/or bullpen help to the Yanks. But what fun is that? We’re here to think big, and this crazy proposal might help both sides. The Sox get an obvious improvement and perhaps additional upside at second base in Torres. They move Moncada, who has had an up-and-down career to date. And while replacing him with Donaldson erases a lot of upside, it also frees the Sox of the $24.8 million owed to Moncada in 2024 (plus a $5 million buyout in 2025) in exchange for an $8 million buyout of Donaldson’s '24 deal. That’s some added long-term financial flexibility for a Chicago team in need of it. At minimum, Donaldson is still capable of giving them good defense at the hot corner. Of course, pairing Donaldson with Tim Anderson would be, um, more than a little awkward (hey, we promised you this was nuts). But it wouldn’t be the first time we’ve seen players with a past forced to smooth things over after an acquisition. Torres, meanwhile, comes with two years of contractual control and took well to the shift to second base while swatting 24 homers and 28 doubles with a .761 OPS. If that’s his floor, it’s a big upgrade for the South Siders. And if he can reach the upside that made him the centerpiece of the Cubs-Yankees Aroldis Chapman trade in 2016, that’s an even bigger plus. Factoring in Torres’ arbitration cost, the Sox take on roughly $3 million in '23 payroll in this swap. What do the Yankees get? For one, a bullpen piece in Lambert, who is under control through 2027 and had strong results in high-leverage spots after a shift to the 'pen last year (2.90 ERA in 40 relief appearances). Even in sending half of Donaldson’s salary obligation to the Sox, New York shaves about $3 million off its '23 payroll. The Yanks get improved upside at third base in Moncada, who struggled (and was injured) in '22 but at 27 years old is a safer bet to return to above-average offensive production at this stage than Donaldson. Moncada also balances the Yankees’ lineup as a switch-hitter. The Yankees are taking on the $24.8 million owed to Moncada in '24 and losing the $8 million buyout owed to Donaldson for that season. Hey, what do you know? Maybe Torres could wind up playing for a Chicago team, after all!

It is funny watching how the padres and Phillies come off a very disappointing season and both decided to keep spending to overcome, knowing regression would likely be positive. They then made NLCS and more. But since JR despises both owners for paying players what they believe they are worth he will instead cut payroll to achieve his number one goal: not giving labor too much wealth.

Danks was such a ballsy and brilliant move too. Uribe… D’Angelo Jimenez…less so