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You think Buffalo Wild Wings would have this on? Man I'm Pisssssed.

QUOTE(DrunkBomber @ Mar 30, 2008 -> 11:49 PM) Well Im sorry but I dont analyze what Obama says the same way you do but that doesnt make my opinion wrong just as yours isnt to you. My point is however that IMO Obama simply lists problems when he speaks but he doesnt shed any light on what he is going to do to stop them. Im not some radical conservative that only watches Fox News and regurgitates what they say. Im an independent and Ive been very critical of all three of the candidates and I use many sources to gather my opinions so I am aware of what stances the candidates have on certain issues and in this thread I have addressed the ones that I am weary of from Obama because more or less he is the only candidate being discussed in this thread. As cliche as it is, I agree with what a lot of pundits have been saying in terms of questioning Obamas substance because I honestly dont feel he has laid out any ground work to accomplishing any of the issues that are feasible. So if you feel like Im not justified for showing my concern about what kind of person Obama is based on anything from his lack of experience, his relationships with people who promote hate and intolerance or even on things like his relationship with Rezco thats fine. But I will reiterate, with the state this country is in right now I dont see anything wrong with exploring every nook and cranny of a candidates character before deciding whether or not they qualified to be my elected leader. If you or anyone else wants to sit back and hope for the best based on speeches a politician recites thats fine, but I dont see the point in criticizing someone who wants to gather as much information they can on every candidate besides what they say in preprepared speeches. Now if I was blindly defending McCain or Hillary thats one thing, but Im not. Im very critical of all of them because of the magnitude of the position they are all lobbying for. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/27/us/polit...amp;oref=slogin Here you go, bro. I wasn't saying your concern wasn't valid, I was saying just because it isn't covered doesn't mean he's not saying it. It's more of a condemnation of the media, who has fed into the tit for tat quips and slights as opposed to the 'issues'. If you want me to get Dodd's legislation I'll look for that as well.

amazing that on a weekend that Obama went on vacation, Clinton could do so much damage to herself.

QUOTE(michelangelosmonkey @ Mar 30, 2008 -> 08:57 PM) Yeah...and the SAME YEAR 24 year old catcher, Earl Battey, who went on to have three top ten finishes in the MVP balleting for a couple of OK years from the aging Roy Sievers. People forget how Bill Veeck destroyed a team that was set up for a long playoff run. Actually some interesting parallels between that 1959 team and the 2000 Sox team that won 99 games. One can make a cogent argument that if those teams had just had the patience to stand pat with their talent they would have more than one WS in the last 75 years. Still trades are sexy and most of us fans love it...and love the idea of GM's "going for it" when one gets close. my uncle jim didn't forget.

QUOTE(DrunkBomber @ Mar 30, 2008 -> 10:39 PM) Interesting to get such an open minded Patriotic response. Its odd I thought my last few posts were discussing Obamas policies and questioning his stances on certain issues and asking his route to achieve his goals but it turns out Im just being racist. Well Im sorry if you dont agree with my views but I will continue to reiterate that your opinion, and thats all it is, isnt any more valid than mine because you like said candidate and you will defend him just as blindly as you say we criticize him. Simply adding in your last post that there are reasons to dislike him besides Wright doesnt justify being open minded. The Wright argument is used in conjunction with other issues that are being applied to question Obamas character and qualifications to lead this country. The topic is far from the only point anyone has made in terms of questioning Obama. However, this is a thread about Wright and I would think that might be why people are discussing it. So if it makes you feel better to call anyone who questions Obama closed minded than you can go ahead and keep spewing it but is it really open minded to blindly defend his every move? Can you not see peoples resentment for the things Wright has said, which is the topic of the thread? When topics like this are discussed there are always going to be people that are at other ends of the spectrum but when one side *cough* Obama supporters *cough* call people closed minded simply because they have a different opinion then them is extremely hypocritical. Now if anything has been proven overwhelmingly for one side or another thats one thing, which it hasnt, but when people with different opinions continue to try to explain where theyre coming from and trying to justify themselves and one side simply dismisses anything said by the other and in turn calls them closed minded its laughable. Now I will continue to use phrases like, in my opinion, the reason I think and what I dont like about this you can continue to use things like Im right and youre wrong. well, when Obama supporters start threads about McCain being a gay drug abuser that is love with the John Birch society and is , say, an atheist, you can talk about how close minded we are.

QUOTE(DrunkBomber @ Mar 30, 2008 -> 08:33 PM) This isnt a thread on Britney Spears or anything. I think its a very valid point to wonder how he is going to accomplish all these goals. Maybe all you look for in a President is someone that can read preprepared speeches without any substance but when it comes to becoming the leader of the most powerful country in the free world I think we deserve a little insight instead of taking a politicians word for it. So Im sorry if the argument "gets old" but some people might actually want to know what route the country is going to go in the future even though you obviously dont. As far as the McCain argument, youre barking up the wrong tree, I really dont like him either. it'd be a valid point if he didn't have a week two weeks ago, where he had a huge speech on foreign policy and a huge speech on the economy. It'd be a valid point if he didn't have a Web site outlining his policies for the country. But he has consistently outlined his plans for the country.. Unfortunately actual policy talk gets lost in the sexy issue of whether a man who has devoted his adult life to public service cares about the country.

I feel like the only year we didn't play the indians this decade was 02? Was that when we opened in Seattle and they went on like a 10-0 start before we swept them in a 3 game series?

yes, the Obama never says how argument...never gets old. damn him for being better at prepared speeches than thinking on the fly. Not like McCain with his "EVERYBODY KNOWS" to every question asked to him, or Iran er Al Qaida er Iran er Al Qaida.

ALE: Boston Red Sox ALC: Cleveland Indians ALW: LA Angels ALWC: CHW NLE: Mets NLC: Cubs NLW: Diamondbacks NLWC: LA Dodgers CLE over Mets in WS I have a hard time ever leaving my team out in preseason predictions

I can't believe a Beast post contains self-righteous condescending language.

there was an article in the sunday Trib about a guy who printed signs for an alderman, he was saying that candidates who lose elections rarely pay their debts. It was interesting.

I gotta find a bar for this. In Columbia, Mo., the bars that are so reliable for Bears games are unfortunately equally reliable for Cubs, not Sox. Although, funny enough, it's as hard to find a sox game as a royals game here.

Don Imus was awful, I have no qualms about him getting fired even if it's for the wrong reasons. Although, what he got fired for is an example of how bad he was. If you are going to get fired for an offensive joke, at least add that funny factor.

I knew it would be Missouri. Yeah Missouri.

well, stone has certainly made some fantastic movies this decade so I can't wait for this one. green necessary here?

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Mar 25, 2008 -> 08:18 PM) i think its so awesome that Lollapalooza is pretty much only in Chicago now. it's not pretty much only, it is only

it's impactful for me. Richardson was probably the most experience democrat running, and they are going to Obama. And an Obama Richardson ticket I think really can change the delegate map of this country and make it easier for Obama to win even WITHOUT ohio and florida.

that site and the "we love black people" site are hysterical.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Mar 20, 2008 -> 02:50 PM) oh bulls***. She's been saying "I'm more experienced" pre-Iowa. They're just now choosing to focus more on it. I'm talking specifically the foreign policy experience and commander in chief test she made up. When she starts touting a trip she took with Sinbad as FP experience the hammer comes back.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Mar 19, 2008 -> 10:17 PM) Nice drive by media work. Now that Limbaugh's on board for the Hillary-will-eat-Barack-Obama-up-so-we-don't-have-to-tour, all of a sudden crap starts leaking? What a joke. come on, it doesn't work just like that. The reason all this is coming up her language of Command in Chief threshold and touting her experience within the last week and a half, when that is your main basis, the media will start questioning it.

ugh, this innocence project I'm in now makes me cynical as hell.

Do you realize that Fox News is a 24 hour channel and ABC has a much smaller news cycle? And you didn't "dening" ABC, you didn't mention it at all, someone else had to inform you they scooped it. ABC news scoops it, then other news follows. And everyone followed and played it over and over again. Everyone. Every radio station, every tv station, every newspaper followed it. There are real biases in the news media, but much like in this racial discussion, if you try and exaggerate it as much as you are, the realities get pushed aside, and the large falsity of your claims make it seem like there isn't any problems in media coverage, if this is the type of bias you are seeing. This was over-covered, if anything. It was not slighted by any media outlet.

do you read the Times to even know? Do you watch these channels? MSNBC, CNN, even local news was covering this and HAVE been covering Wright for upwards of a year. Nobody is forcing anybodys hand just cause they have to because of fox's ratings. First you thought only Fox was covering this, then you learned ABC scooped it (also AP had it on our wire's on maybe even Wed. last week) and now you nicely include ABC in covering it.

ahh, had he said triple 20's i'd be all over it.

QUOTE(BearSox @ Mar 19, 2008 -> 03:55 AM) please list some. Just saying something but then not pointing anything is not a good way to prove a point. Acting like Fox news was the only network that covered Wright is so absurd that I don't need to provide examples, it was the biggest story of the weekend and every network was playing the same soundclip from youtube ad nauseum.