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I don’t think people would have been that excited, Meyer was pretty polarizing at the time especially knowing he was about to get Lawrence. But I think the all college coaches fail thing is overblown, all coaches have a terrible hit rate in the nfl. Where they seem most behind is the lack of NFL relationships to build a staff. Those with previous NFL experience (Carroll, Harbaugh, OBrien) seems to help. Klingsbury Was helped, and it’s why I thought Riley would be okay too, with so many nfl teams going to him every summer to see what he was doing offensively. Im not sure any one thing helps but definitely seems like greener coaches without big networks can get behind with staff.

So one of my things with this is what change could have occurred which may have either helped Sale/Q/Eaton/Abreu core work or prevented some of the more disastrous trades. Here is one real, real deep cut that relies on lots of magic. In 2011 Adam Dunn decides he wants to stay a National and the white sox keep their draft pick in one of the greatest drafts of all time. Except they pick 19th and everyone amazing is gone, but KW and Laumann have began to turn around their top draft picks after Chris Sale the year before and select Jackie Bradley Jr, a toolsy college outfielder. The 2013 season happens, and after a promising 2014 the sox still push forward with Smarj probably. But in 2016s first half you are replacing Austin Jackson with JBJ who not only is way better in that first half than Austin Jackson, that year his production is actually front-loaded. In the first half he has a 142 wRC+. The incredible outfield defense instead of AJ and JB Shuck prevents the june swoon from being too brutal, and sox wait long enough to see shields shrivel, ultimately keeping Tatis. I don't know what happens next. They could look at the roster now with sale, q, jbj, anderson and maybe still go forward, but they could also decide to blow it up, trade jbj too, but move into the rebuild with tatis.

Couple names I think will also get thrown around: Dennis Allen - previous HC experience for the no-winning-as-a-HC Raiders. Dan Quinn - Atlanta replaced him with a whiz offensive mind (whom I still like!) and it's the same old Falcons. Benjamin Allbricht has reported interest from Broncos.

Yeah, this isn't any other organization. Coaches stick around because they stick around their coaches. Cowher had some lean years too, but the steelers always recover quickly. I don't see either side being sick of each other. And as lean years go - they'll end up around 8-9 or something. Not very brutal. Lots of talent, just need to rebuild their trenches.

With the recent very good James Fegan article looking back at the recent drafts, I thought this could be fun. The game: - Perform one year to re-do the MLB Draft for the White Sox. - You can only select players taken in the same round, after the white sox were selected OR ahead of a white sox selection if the sox bonus given that pick was for more than that player (helpful for 2nd round and later) - Total budget must equal that year's budget Sound Good? It's not over - You also have to grapple with what effect that would have on the sox. For example, 2012 draft was terrible. But if you swap out Courtney Hawkins for a Corey Seager - do the white sox still perform the rebuild? Do they trade Tim Anderson for a pitcher instead of Tatis Jr in 2016? See? Fun stuff! Not more fun than if we had actual baseball news, but more fun than still replying in the leury garcia contract thread. That said, you can assume the rest of our draft picks, etc, stay the same, let's not melt minds. And even though I'm saying 2010s, yeah, I would love to read someone take a stab at the timeline where the sox draft Mike Trout and its effect on 2012 and beyond. +++++++ My Pick: Redrafting 2016 (the lowest of the low hanging fruit) Actual Draft: Budget $9,416,400 1 (11) Zack Collins - $3.3M 1 (27) Zack Burdi - $2.1M 2 (49) Alec Hansen - $1.3M 3 (86) Alex Call - $700K 4 (116) Jameson Fisher - $485K 5 (146) Jimmy Lambert - 325K 6 (176) Luis Curbelo - $700K 7 (206) Bernardo Flores - $214K 8 (236) Nate Nolan - $170K 9 (266) Max Dutto - 10K 10 (296) Zach Remillard - 10k Redraft: 1 (11) Gavin Lux - $2.8M (Actual: $3.3M) 1 (27) Will Smith - $1.8M 2 (49) Bryan Reynolds - $1.4M 3 (86) Dustin May - $1M 4 (116) Shane Bieber - $485K 5 (146) Cavan Biggio - 325K 6 (176) Brandon Miller - $250K 7 (206) Bernardo Flores - $214K 8 (236) Kenny Rosenburg - $170K 9 (266) Tony Gonsolin - 10K 10 (296) Zach Remillard - 10k Repercussions: As we know, by this point Tatis had been traded. 2016 is a disaster, and in December 2017 the sox trade away their stars and kick off a rebuild. With the new prospects from trades, the sox are also thrilled by one of the most incredible draft classes in history. After a swing and a miss on top free agents in the 2018-19 offseason. The foundation of Moncada, Giolito, Anderson, and Abreu is joined by Will Smith, Eloy Jimenez, Bryan Reynolds, Cavan Biggio, Dustin May, Dylan Cease, and Shane Bieber lead to a surprisingly fun and competitive 2019. Add to that, the emergence of Luis Robert gave hope of another star joining soon. Despite swinging and missing on top free agents once again after being spurned by Zack Wheeler, sox added Dallas Keuchel and went big with DH Nelson Cruz In 2020 everything clicks, and the lineup of: SS Tim Anderson RF Bryan Reynolds 1B Jose Abreu 3B Yoan Moncada CF Luis Robert LF Eloy Jimenez C Will Smith 2B Cavan Biggio / Nick Madrigal DH Edwin Encarnacion / Adam Engel With a SP of: Shane Bieber Lucas Giolito Dallas Keuchel Dustin May Dylan Cease The sox take off and win hundreds of WS titles, with no end of talent in sight. ETC ETC Obviously, this team is stacked, but it is IMPOSSIBLE to do the 2016 redraft without noticing how much hostetler screwed the pooch. So many huge, huge difference makers up through round 5. There are so many I didn't get to. Corbin Burnes, Pete Alonso, Sean Murphy, Zac Gallen, Dylan Carlson, and on and on. In a year where Will Smith and Sean murphy get drafted we picked a guy 20 spots higher as a catcher who can't catch and has a worse bat. Not great. Anyhoo, 2016 is easy because the wheels are in motion, but would they have been good enough in 2019 to trade for some of the big pitchers that moved like Gallen?

GM searches are so funny because it is so impossible to have strong opinions about people whose performance, beliefs and relationships we know so little about. We just have to sorta broadly attribute entire organizations success to them. What was important to me with Karnisovas with the Bulls was more than anything that had the bulls act like the premier franchise that it was. I don't even know if that works in football, there are too many moving parts. The Steelers, the Packers, at this point there is such engrained process and success in those franchises that it's hard to pick out anyone like Tomlin and say we are good. What is Tomlin outside of an org that has such strengths of talent development from players to front office? What is John Harbaugh away from what Ozzie Newsome created for that org in Baltimore? I think at this point I believe that getting any "system" guy is buying last week. Creating an organization who can identify smart, disciplined, versatile football players and coaches that can use them to exploit other teams weaknesses seems more of a sure thing than "We do what we do" in terms of creating consistent winning. Yet it seems impossible to actually achieve, especially with short term results. Short of the Bears coaxing bill belicheck by giving him ownership shares and complete control, I'm not going to have any clue what the hell the bears are getting.

This Erick Hernandez news is great, and despite recent blah from Cespedes / Yolbert Where I think it was more Paddy keeping that pipeline warm, I still have great faith in his individual talent assessments. That said - would love a class more like 2015 soon where we had 3 top 30ish 850k + signings. Need more volume esp with Shirley’s draft philosophy

@Y2Jimmy0 any rumblings on whether they’ll stash Colas in DR for tax savings ir let him go to fill season? I’d hope he’s old enough that he’d rather get mlb pay sooner

This all just sucks. I had got some great tickets for tomorrow night for my son to celebrate his getting his second shot and he been watching so much bulls. He was literally counting down the days. That said, I obviously didn't want to watch a g-league team play, and my son handled it great, but still a bit shocking to me how out of control this got and so, so annoying.

What I don't find convincing for this specifically for Yolqui is his cuban league stats were not the gaudy numbers you'd expect, and his jump was exciting due to his body adding so much additional strength. He did show some of that power, but at 24, he still has so much work to do. He has the tools to take the leap, so you keep him top ten. The one nice thing about this list is despite the lack of production, there is quite a bit of athleticism and tools in that list, and youth. If they start to put it together this year, especially the pitching, it means a lot. But this system, as ever, is just so reliant on its top prospects hitting because they have been probably hit the hardest by the drop in draft class numbers considering their international class sizes.

My fav head scratching thing with pace - maybe it’s Nagy too - is this obsession with certain positions where they’ll bring in loads and loads of competition like TE and K, but meanwhile they left Sam must up her without any competition and he has been atrocious. Linebacker was the thinnest it’s ever been. Kindle vildor? Yeah. He’s fine we can just let go any corners left. It does just remind me so much of the 2016 white sox. Just obsessing over getting these particular weaknesses right and getting tunnel vision and missing that the whole team was too weak. In general, a move to where the team stops acting like they are one or two positions away will be a help in itself

Incredibly exciting and kinda bullshit ending. What. A. Season.

If they pull Payton I imagine he’s installing his own GM and he has personnel control (and I’d be all for it!). Otherwise unless you pay him $20M a year not sure what he’s “moving up” to

Funny since Finnegan was my reference for converting pitching prospect from bullpen to starting

Yeah the Rosenthal article, if enacted, would drive me insane with how much talent giveaways were to low-revenue teams. Screw them, they get enough. We don't need to give tampa a top 10 pick every year just because they suck at marketing.

Maybe this all took place at the first game of 2019 right after he hit the first home run of the first game. Man’s tallied 6 total home runs in his Sox minor league career but before he hit two more home runs in that first game But also do nerds really rely on a counting stat like home runs for power potential? Seems like a baseball nerd would focus on like hip rotation moves per 1000 frames (of which I’m sure Robert is elite anyway ????)

Roberts bat is ? but really would like to see his movement in CF match what we saw in 2020 again

I agree with this.

I'd be more worried if we were in one of the 7 games in 10 game stretches rather than 3

It is what it is. Other teams will likely deal with something similar.

goingto the game on tuesday

The funny thing was it wasn't even clear Bruce heard that about Semien, just that sox were talking with Boras and he guessed it was about Semien.

HOW DARE THEY. HOW DARE THEY PASS.

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21. White Sox select SS Moises Castillo (Cardinals)