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Cal Quantrill at least. Anyone in the Indians system is scary but glad it isn't Gore. Glad they didn't get Abrams.

I think Preller is probably an owner's favorite GM to have. He seems to go 0-60 when pushed a bit. Helps he has confidence that they will be able to restock constantly (and with good reason looking at how Texas has fared post him leaving)

The last time the padres were this busy they went 74-88 and had to go on a 5 year rebuild.

Damn, really wanted this guy.

I think his yet to be found 3rd pitch and command may prevent him from being the very top tier of pitchers, but I also don't get upset at anyones notion that a White Sox player is not the very best in the league.

lol I think Giolito has an edge counting this year, but I don't think Giolito is a "3", I'd say he's a 2. I don't think Clevinger is your true ace, but I'd say he's Giolito's level. Berrios/Clevinger/Giolito feel like that same level, Bieber at this point may be on his way to being the only true ace in the central (or Mize).

I don't know...2019 Clevinger was really good. Giolito is on a tear though. I see them as equal when Clevinger's 4 seamer starts working again.

I know, I actually fell into the trap I dislike. Their core is so strong they've been right in it. But they definitely hit that maxed payroll/tapped farm that I think scares a lot of sox fans most after seeing the post WS team struggle to get over the hump.

The sox could re-sign him, or sign a different pitcher, or find garret crochet was a starter. There are multiple offseasons and years to figure that out (or they could trade the high schoolers)

If we're not competitive in 2024, it won't be because we traded away a guy in 2020, it will be because our scouting, drafting, and INTL fell off a cliff (a la the cubs). The dodgers 4 years ago drafted Gavin Lux, 4 years prior to that they drafted Corey Seager. They were a playoff team through all of that. They can now trade away lux for whatever they want or have a new 3b post Turner. Sox can't stop the pipeline.

I'm not shopping kopech for anyone, but yes I would trade Kopech for Mike Clevinger. There is no guarantee a player as good as him becomes available when we need it, he has multiple years of control, and is not still working on control like Kopech is (nor has he missed 2 years of competition.)

I agree, just a few days ago I was talking about now overvaluing control over talent. But of the rumored names, there isn't anyone that concerns me on that side. These are high level talents.

that makes sense.

sometimes the value to acquire isn't a sliding scale. Giants are "competing" for a playoff spot and have a lot of resources as an org that may not care for a mid-level guy instead of just making a run of it.

However, we can't just throw out every prospect as if they are equal value, and poo poo away 3 years of control for some of these players and cry that it's not 5 years. The difference between Kopech and Dunning and Stiever varies. And for the next 3 years we need a lot more guaranteed production.

It wouldn't be 6 years of Kopech. And god, the "12 years combined" stuff. is maybe the worst new measure sox fans have. Again, what if Kopech is still working on command next year and stiever is a dud? Does the 6 years mean anything at that point? I swear the new banner for this board should just be sox fans fondling a 2024 calendar.

All this "mortgaging our future" talk...has there been a single piece mentioned that doesn't have at least another year of control?

I think the rangers were probably hurt a bit by the clevinger stuff. Dynamic changes when you are now holding the second best piece.

yes.

I remember when our resident media expert was yelling at everyone that the Twitter reports of philly on Wheeler were just made up agent leverage and Philly had no money to sign him.

I mean, there is very little reason to believe there is much to this Hader/woodruff rumor. Just as likely we have some weird deal for Brett Anderson and a BP piece. We have an annual trade agreement to send a bullpen piece to the brewers.

If I wake up and a trade was announced at midnight I’ll be so pissed. Nobody is allowed to discuss anything while I’m sleeping.

They didn’t really trade a top prospect other than Trammel. They had a much deeper farm than us. Not a fan of their moves but not burning it down imo

That FO has been straight up brilliant and yeah if I’m a brewers fan I’d expect Vaughan.

Hope so...