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We may be looking at 20-25% unemployment in many states...waste is a secondary concern. The $600 per week for unemployment insurance plus expanding that group is huge. Businesses can put employees on furlough and bring them back in four months, and that group can just stay home and pay their bills.

I assure you that whatever debt crisis would come will not be close to as bad as the unemployment numbers we will see on Thursday. waste is the least of our worries right now. Better to be wasteful and fast than targeted and slow.

2008s response was clearly inadequate, this situation is in short term worse, I don’t see how this is a bad thing. The other 4 trillion of it even is that is from what I understand just hypothetical loans, and that was paid back in 2008.

Testing went down today ?

It's just an issue of testing. If they die before you can test, they aren't going to use a test on them. We need double the tests per day we're at now. Hopefully we'll get there in a few weeks.

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lol damn it, when you are american it's your whole world baby.

World War II - 75 million died, 6 years long, billions of dollars of destruction Spanish American War - 17,000 died, 10 weeks long, thousands of dollars of destruction ...seems a little bizarre to me.

Those are largely tourism based infections. Second waves will happen, and containment measures will go back in place. What is your argument here...that shelter in place is bad because it is keeping people from getting immune? Because that's jerksticks argument.

I'm not advocating the US open in 4 days.

South Korea, Singapore and Taiwan have shown that you can manage this with high testing, tracking and isolation, but Italy could not? The thing is by testing and tracking, you go test asymptomatic people who have been in contact with symptomatic people and isolate them. There are in fact examples of this... Wuhan was Wuhan because China ignored the problem until it needed shut downs. Italy the same, and US the same. But there were countries that didn't do that.

this is going to be bad

This is why I think the "targeted bailouts" is too much of a landmine. If they just guarantee payroll of US legal workers up to 4k a month or whatever you are politically just helping workers, and don't have to worry about political targeting for supporting a hot button industry.

So uh, panthers are releasing Cam Newton today... (i'd prefer risk/reward cam to foles).

but they'll be living in an italy with increased testing and medical capacity, and one much more understanding of the threat and actions needed.

I’m not sure that many of our tests are even hitting the 4 hours or less mark. Still see most taking days (rand Paul)

65k tests today. Need to double that in a week or two. Cut down results time plus 300k tests per day capacity and I think we’d be where we need to open up.

then you would expect your positive/tested percentage to be lower...instead it's higher. Illinois hasn't been able to test as much, but that percentage is at 15%, Washington's is 6%. New Yorks was 25%. That doesn't give me the hope that NYC is just testing more than everyone. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/2/d/e/2PACX-1vRwAqp96T9sYYq2-i7Tj0pvTf6XVHjDSMIKBdZHXiCGGdNC0ypEU9NbngS8mxea55JuCFuua1MUeOj5/pubhtml#

I'd wait until the end of the week. They likely waited too long to shut it down. Their case rate is worse than anywhere, and when it hits capacity it gets terrible.

Man I''m sorry to hear that caulfield. Hopefully things change from that outlook.

yeah, key with those demos though is their jobs put them in tons of contact. General pop almost certainly lower than taking those samples.

I am very worried about new york. And feeling like Georgia and FLA may look that way in a week. For obvious demo reasons, florida really concerns me.

getting there

Wanted to say I really appreciated that NFL kept FA period on time. It was very nice to have a break and argue about normal stuff like bears sucking.

@Balta1701 thought this was helpful https://www.seriouseats.com/2020/03/food-safety-and-coronavirus-a-comprehensive-guide.html