Rowand44

I'm talking about the economics of baseball. He keeps saying I know nothing because I'm younger then him.... I guess because I'm young I'm completely wrong. If what you said is what tex is trying to say just sign maggs no matter what it takes on a budget that's not understanding the situation and the ability of this franchise to spend money....correct?

That's great yasny but the sox don't have an infinite amount of money we aren't the yankees. 14 Million dollars spent on one player that doesn't put up numbers to earn 14 million on a 65 million dollar payroll is stupid. cwsguy406 and I have already stated that we'd love to have maggs back and that having a self imposed budget sucks. But with that budget you CAN'T pay one player 14 million dollars you end up with to many holes on the team such as no 5th starter or only a couple of reliable relief pitchers. Then texsox comes back and says we don't understand business and baseball because we're young. If he's trying to say forget jr's budget and just sign maggs then he's obviously the one who doesn't understand this game. The sox have a good offensive core maggs or no maggs and I think they're proving that right now. Pitching wins and if you have a 14 million dollar right fielder it's hard to fill every pitching hole.

Damaso is getting there. He's pitched well of late, yesterday I believe if he was left in he would have got out of that inning without letting up a run, if politte wasn't brought in. Another starting pitcher is definitely the biggest need on this team right now but another reliever is up there also.

Are you just going to keep bashing us because we're younger then you? That's great that you've lived longer then me. So because of that anything I say is wrong. I know the history of this franchise but that has nothing to do with my point. Just an example here but would you trade maggs for freddy garcia, jeremy reed, scott williamson, and urbina? Like I said that is just an example but that might be what you could get for maggs money.

That's awesome. I'm going the 26th and 27th. First time I'm going to sox-cubs I'm really looking forward to it. I'll be in section 101. We should definitely meet up somewhere for the game on the 27th.

All the sigs around here are awesome so I thought I'd ask for one. I'm looking for a sig with shingo and damaso in it, with either the chicago skyline or the cell in the backround and then it says on the sig stud relievers or something along those lines. Thanks in advance.

Exactly what I was thinking of. Snab one of thoses starters and then a closer. Do that and you probably still have a descent amount of money to spend elsewhere. You improve the rotation alot. You improve the bullpen alot. You still have a very solid lineup. That's much better then keeping the lineup what it is now and having gaping holes in the pitching staff.

It does suck that we can't expand on this team. But the way reinsdorf is set in his budget this is the best way to go.

You guys have missed the whole point of my argument. You add 3 quality players to replace one player that isn't worth the money he is asking for. Don't tell me I don't understand the economics of baseball because that's a huge issue with everything. The white sox can't afford to spend 14 million on one player with the self imposed budget that they have. The sox already have a great offensive core in place for next year, pitching they don't. Add 2 pitchers and a position player or maybe 3 pitchers. With the sox self imposed budget it just isn't smart to take up a quarter of your payroll on one player where there is depth in the organization. Say what you want about prospects but reed and borchard are eventually going to get their opportunity and plug one of them in right field and fill holes elsewhere with the money. I never said trade maggs for a 3rd starter I said trade maggs in the lineup for reed or borchard and 3 quality pitchers or 2 quality pitchers and a position player.

Yeah, sorry about that. Look what happens when school is out. :banghead

You've got to be kidding me. First off garcia isn't a number 5 starter, he's at worst a great number 3 starter depending on who you ask. You add a very good starter and plug two more wholes and you'd still rather have one player. Nobody likes how ownership is here but deal with it because that's how its going to be. Reinsdorf isn't steinbrenner if he was then you sign maggs for 14 mill but with the budget on this franchise you can't have one player take up that much of your salary, especially a position player. There is a good offensive core in place for next year, right now I can't exactly say the same about the pitching staff. The sox have buehrle and garland signed for next year. I believe shoney has an option and loaiza is a fa. Use the 14 million to sign pitching. The sox farm system is stacked with outfielders, losing a 14 million dollar outfielder and putting a kid in there who will already be surrounded by a good core, you could put reed or jb down in the lineup and see how they produce, while adding much more pitching depth.

I would love to do that some day also. That would be amazing.

To add on to that, with the way this sox team is set up I think thats the way to go. Next year, the sox have frank, carlos, pk, olivo, willie, uribe and hopefully crede will pick it up and be a big part of this core also. Anways what I'm saying is no matter what happens with maggs you still have a pretty darn good offensive core back for next year. You can afford to put borchard or reed in right field and maybe the other in center. Then put that 14 million towards pitching, pick up garcia or maybe resign him if he's traded here. Pick up a reliable closer and pick up another relief pitcher. Plus koch and jose gone, resign loaiza and then you keep a darn good rotation in tact. Add two quality arms to a bullpen that will most likely have damaso, shingo, adkins and cotts already there. All of the sudden you have a great rotation and a pretty darn good bullpen with a very solid lineup, you have a very solid team.

Obviously, that's Mark Prior.

Yeah, I went on Weds when I was in Boston. It was pretty cool but nothing beats a game at uscf when watching our sox. I love watching all baseball but its not the same when you go to a game and your not watching the white sox.

Tex this is what I mean when I say maggs isn't worth 14 million. With that money the sox could maybe go out and sign garcia and maybe 2 other quality players. Maybe one of them being a closer. So you fill 3 wholes with 14 million, instead of playing one player that much money when your better off filling other wholes.

What the hell do you want ozzie to do about contract talks?

I love uscf just an awesome park. Fenway was awesome too, until it started to rain . Yankee stadium is alright I don't think it's amazing but it was descent. I liked miller park but I like the cell and fenway much better.

Ortiz has a 1.35 era as a reliever. While I definitely think jose for ramon straight up would be dumb if anaheim adds a prospect or two it might be something to thinkg about. Like I said before he'd probably get a shot to close. It would also free up another 1.5 million while not a ton it's something and could definitely help in making another trade for a garcia or a finely, just something to think about.

Well if jose is traded that opens the door for a finley or a beltran(will never happen) basically if jose is gone I think kenny would go out and look for that left handed pop to play center field. I'm sure kenny's thinking behind this is to give ortiz a shot to close not to have him start.

It was on rotoworld also, I think that offer is true.

The yanks have absolutely nothing to give up in a trade.

I basically agree with everything you said. Centerfield and 3rd is where it gets kind of weird. Both of those kind of depend on Crede, if Joe ever starts to hit, the sox can leave willie in center, uribe at 2b, jose ss, crede 3b then everything is set. If crede is still suckin it up close to the deadline, kenny might have to go out and look for a finley and end up moving uribe to 3b which is probably the best thing to do anyways. But another starting pitcher and another arm in the pen are definitely the two biggest needs and wholes right now with this team.

That would probably be the best way to go. But right now I don't think kenny will trade for another hitter unless he's of the beltran caliber. I'd love to see beltran here but realistically I don't see it happening. I believe the yanks will sign beltran in the offseason but don't have enough to trade for him right now. Getting garcia is obviously much more of a need right now and a closer wouldn't hurt either. Right now the offense is the last thing to be worried about even though they still do sleep walk through some games. Another starting pitcher and another bullpen arm are the two main needs right now for kenny to go out and acquire and he might be able to shoot both those needs down with one team and get garcia and guardado atleast I hope so.

Best overall player is arod. Vlad is an overrated defender.