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I really like the idea. With his splitter and his good fastball I think he'd be electric in the pen. Give coop some time with him and he could really be a solid closer. While I like having shingo close but it would be nice to be able to keep him and damaso as set up men.

Damn, only damaso marte. And since when is damaso closing. That's one bad article.

Koch has never had any movement on his fastball it's always been straight as an arrow. He's actually picked up a little movement on his fastball since he doesn't throw 100 anymore but plain and simple the guy doesn't know how to pitch and always falls behind in the count, so he gets hammered.

No, it's 2-3-2 for the finals. People don't get to excited the lakers will win the next three and win the series.

I like leskanic's arm. I think because they used him in the closers role it messed him up a lot. If the sox could get him for cheap I'd be all for it but only if they could get him for cheap.

NM, I think I understand.

The sig is awesome, but how do I put it in?

Wow thats amazing. Thanks a lot.

Don't forget my carlos bashing. I already said in another thread that I'm eating my crow and enjoying it. Tastes much better in first place. CARLOS

Agreed, that guy was a moron I'm happy reggie sanders is a class act.

. That was awesome, but this should be in the sportsbar.

Leskanic would be a very good pickup. Affeldt would be nice too but kc won't trade him.

Two games in the loss column also. Let me be the first in this thread to congratulate carlos on 27 in a row. When he was going bad I was all over him. I also started a couple threads about trading him, I'm very happy to eat my crow now. WAY TO GO CARLOS

If you wouldn't mind, that'd be great. Thanks a lot.

Exactly, it's not a fantasy list, it's a very reasonable list. But we're young so we know nothing.

Once again money is a huge player in this issue. JR won't just shell out as much money as steinbrennar. I've stated numerous times that I hate it but thats the way it is. You guys keep telling us we're to young to understand but you guys seem to be the ones not looking at the money aspect and you have to when it comes to baseball and especially with the sox and the self imposed budget.

Ok tex. There is a lot of good pitching out there in the offseason. Besides maggs salary you have jose and koch probably coming off the books for 11 million but much of that 11 million is going to other players for pay raises. Add loaiza to the resign list and I believe shoney has an option. So look at it like this if maggs resigns your most likely losing shoney or esty. Ok so now the sox have 3 starting pitchers, then they most likely throw neal in the rotation. Now you have to throw more young kids in the bullpen which your obviously real against. Resigning maggs for 14 mill just isn't smart for this franchise.

We know that but it's not going to change. JR has his budget and is going to have his budget. If the sox had infinite amount of money to spend then go ahead and keep maggs. I love maggs but his numbers don't equal a 14 million dollar a year contract especially when your on a jr type budget. I've also stated I hate the restriction jr puts on kenny but thats the way it is and thats the way it's going to be. It sucks that the sox are on a budget but they are and because of that it just isn't smart to spend 14 million on one player. You win with pitching and there is some damn good fa's this coming offseason. I've said this plenty of times but the offensive core is there.... willie, uribe, frank, carlos, pk, olivo. Add pitching depth with that 14 million instead of paying one player that much.

I'm talking about the economics of baseball. He keeps saying I know nothing because I'm younger then him.... I guess because I'm young I'm completely wrong. If what you said is what tex is trying to say just sign maggs no matter what it takes on a budget that's not understanding the situation and the ability of this franchise to spend money....correct?

That's great yasny but the sox don't have an infinite amount of money we aren't the yankees. 14 Million dollars spent on one player that doesn't put up numbers to earn 14 million on a 65 million dollar payroll is stupid. cwsguy406 and I have already stated that we'd love to have maggs back and that having a self imposed budget sucks. But with that budget you CAN'T pay one player 14 million dollars you end up with to many holes on the team such as no 5th starter or only a couple of reliable relief pitchers. Then texsox comes back and says we don't understand business and baseball because we're young. If he's trying to say forget jr's budget and just sign maggs then he's obviously the one who doesn't understand this game. The sox have a good offensive core maggs or no maggs and I think they're proving that right now. Pitching wins and if you have a 14 million dollar right fielder it's hard to fill every pitching hole.

Damaso is getting there. He's pitched well of late, yesterday I believe if he was left in he would have got out of that inning without letting up a run, if politte wasn't brought in. Another starting pitcher is definitely the biggest need on this team right now but another reliever is up there also.

Are you just going to keep bashing us because we're younger then you? That's great that you've lived longer then me. So because of that anything I say is wrong. I know the history of this franchise but that has nothing to do with my point. Just an example here but would you trade maggs for freddy garcia, jeremy reed, scott williamson, and urbina? Like I said that is just an example but that might be what you could get for maggs money.

That's awesome. I'm going the 26th and 27th. First time I'm going to sox-cubs I'm really looking forward to it. I'll be in section 101. We should definitely meet up somewhere for the game on the 27th.

All the sigs around here are awesome so I thought I'd ask for one. I'm looking for a sig with shingo and damaso in it, with either the chicago skyline or the cell in the backround and then it says on the sig stud relievers or something along those lines. Thanks in advance.

Exactly what I was thinking of. Snab one of thoses starters and then a closer. Do that and you probably still have a descent amount of money to spend elsewhere. You improve the rotation alot. You improve the bullpen alot. You still have a very solid lineup. That's much better then keeping the lineup what it is now and having gaping holes in the pitching staff.