Rex Hudler

13 games at 2B 11 games at 3B 2 games at DH

Update on Antoin Gray...Note he is playing a lot of 2B PLAYER AVG G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS SLG OBP E Gray, Antoin,2B .340 25 94 20 32 10 0 1 20 20 21 1 0 .479 .458 6 Nice Numbers.... Nice K/BB ratio... Only 1 HR, but 10 doubles, and 32 RBI in only 25 games....

Yes, with not a lot of time between the two. Less than a year, I believe.

Jason, Carl Everett has averaged the following numbers over the 8 years of his career. .267 17 HR 67 RBI And that INCLUDES his two monster years. He may be talented, but those two years have clouded everyone's brain as to the kind of player he really is. He is an average player at best who has the ability to have a huge year if the stars align properly. There are lots of those type players in the Big Leagues, including Carlos Lee, who's numbers are better.

There is a very big difference between doctoring a baseball and betting on the sport you are involved in. If you let Pete in, then what do you do the next time a guy bets on baseball? It is almost impossible to prove whether a guy "throws a game" so where do you draw the line? What amount of gambling on your own sport is okay? All allowing Pete into the HOF (without admission, apology and repentance) is say to everyone else that plays the game that it is okay to break the rules and that the set penalties don't matter. It completely undermines what has been set and that is wrong. If you want to make gambling on baseball legal and roll the dice, then fine do so. Let Pete in and tell everybody else to go for it! That is what you would essentially be doing anyway. I'll say this one more time and if you think about this logically, then you should understand it. I'm sure that in some way everyone has been exposed to a similar type situation or know someone who has. The MERE PERCEPTION of impropriety can be just as damaging as reality. IF people think betting on baseball could be going on, then effectively it is because the same negative effects would take place. Baseball OWES to itself to take a hardline stance to make sure that there is NO perception of it AT ALL. I really, really enjoyed watching Pete play while growing up. He was a great player and he was all about what baseball should be. I have met and even had a few beers with his son who is a lot of fun. I WISH that Pete would do his part to rectify this situation. But he has made his bed and he has to lie in it until he wants to fix it. I think Pete belongs in the Hall, but unfortunately, Pete himself has cost him that chance for now.

Technically, probably not. But then again, Anderson hasn't played in many either. I guess the point was that Lee is hitting too.

He has? He's up to .378

Pete Rose broke rules that every single player that plays this game knows exist. They also know the penalties. There is NO way possible that he could not have known. So to say a guy should be honored who basically is spitting in the face of baseball is ludicrous in my mind. If Pete ever wants to come clean and deal with the situation honestly, then I would be open-minded to a possible return. But until that happens, he is basically giving the game the finger and expecting it to honor him despite that.

Doesn't matter if he bet for or against his team. I think it does. If he bet for his team to win, I don't see a problem with that. I don't see how that would harm the integrity of the game, as he would just try to get his players to play harder than usual. Now, if he bet for them to LOSE, that's a completely different story, as a manager can very easily hurt his team's chances of winning. Just ask Jerry Manuel, the worst manager of all time. So there is not the possibility that he could leave a pitcher in longer than normal, subjecting him to injury? Sure there are ways a manager could negatively affect the game even if betting on his own team. The whole premise is that if guys involved in the game are betting, then even the perception that there is impropriety would negatively affect the game. It doesn't even have to be real. If fans ever start to doubt whether the outcome of the games are real, the the game itself could crumble. It is bad enough now that fans suspect many of the records that are being broken now are tainted by steroids.

His numbers ARE in the Hall of Fame. It is not like there is no mention of Pete at all in Cooperstown. My understanding is that you will see references to Pete and his many records many times in the Hall. His records still stand and are recognized. The only thing missing for Pete is the plaque saying he is an inducted member.

Doesn't matter if he bet for or against his team.

Cluj, that could also be a guy that was full of potential that finally came into his own. Lots of guys develop their power stroke after they are in the big leagues for a few years.

What sudden increase in power numbers? Griffey has had power since he was in High School.

So what is your theory? Who is behind it? The players? Why would, in a contract year, they purposefully 'tank it"? All that would do is cost them money. Management? Whether a new manager is the answer or not, its not like the management has enough control to make the players strike out, fail to move base runners or make errors. There is no conspiracy, things just aren't going the Sox way. I am sure there are many factors, but sabotage isn't one of them.

Sure you care. You are just frustrated like many Sox fans. You wouldn't waste your time on this board if you didn't care.

These guys can really hit... Nanita, Anderson, Gray, Bounds... But did anyone notice that Carlos Lee has quietly taken over the team lead in batting average?

Bristol loses.... No hits for Young or Valido.. May be first time all year BRISTOL 2 AT BURLINGTON 4 YTD YTD BRISTOL AB R H BI AVG BURLINGTON AB R H BI AVG C.Young CF 4 0 0 0 .302 J.Valdes CF 4 1 1 0 .227 R.Valido SS 4 0 0 0 .307 B.Pinckney SS 3 2 1 0 .281 R.Sweeney RF 4 0 1 0 .125 L.Hodge RF 4 1 2 2 .237 C.Castillo CAT 3 0 0 0 .226 C.Brock CAT 4 0 0 0 .262 M.Herring PH 1 0 1 0 .286 T.Encarnacio DH 3 0 1 2 .272 E.Young LF 3 1 0 0 .260 J.Garcia LF 4 0 1 0 .294 M.Perez 3B 4 0 1 0 .269 D.Vasquez 3B 3 0 0 0 .225 T.Collaro DH 3 0 0 0 .267 F.Pacheco 1B 3 0 0 0 .179 M.Bohlander 1B 2 1 1 0 .263 J.Garcia 2B 3 0 1 0 .209 F.Lebron 2B 3 0 1 1 .244 N.Pesco PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 Y.Novoa PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 R.DeLosSanto PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 F.Castro PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 C.Southerlan PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 D.Ortiz PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 TOTALS 31 2 5 1 TOTALS 31 4 7 4 BRISTOL 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0- 2 5 2 BURLINGTON 3 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 X- 4 7 0 E--R.Valido, R.Sweeney. DP--BRISTOL 1, BURLINGTON 1. LOB--BRISTOL 4, BURLINGTON 6. 2B--L.Hodge (3). 3B--M.Bohlander (2). SB--J.Valdes 2 (4), J.Garcia (3). YTD IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA BRISTOL Y.Novoa (L,3-2) 2.2 5 4 4 2 1 0 5.25 F.Castro 5.0 1 0 0 1 6 0 1.19 D.Ortiz 0.1 1 0 0 0 1 0 5.40 BURLINGTON N.Pesco (W,2-1) 5.0 1 1 1 2 5 0 3.68 R.DeLosSanto 3.0 2 1 1 0 4 0 6.41 C.Southerlan (S,4) 1.0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0.75 WP--N.Pesco. SO--C.Young, R.Valido, R.Sweeney, C.Castillo, E.Young, T.Collaro 3, F.Lebron, L.Hodge, C.Brock, T.Encarnacio, D.Vasquez 2, F.Pacheco 3. BB--E.Young, M.Bohlander, B.Pinckney, T.Encarnacio, D.Vasquez. T--2:25. A--2832

Great Falls with a 4-3 win GREAT FALLS 4 AT BILLINGS 3 YTD YTD GREAT FALLS AB R H BI AVG BILLINGS AB R H BI AVG A.Gray 3B 4 1 1 0 .340 L.Bolivar SS 5 2 2 0 .488 R.Nanita CF 4 1 1 0 .386 H.Hernandez 2B 4 0 3 0 .382 C.Lee CAT 3 0 2 1 .387 J.Votto 1B 3 0 1 0 .376 M.Deuchler PR 0 1 0 0 .375 B.Himes RF 4 0 1 1 .313 M.Deuchler CAT 0 0 0 0 .375 W.Olmstead 3B 4 0 0 0 .250 B.Bounds 1B 3 0 1 0 .345 P.Gentry DH 4 0 0 0 .216 C.Lisk DH 4 1 2 3 .296 C.Ziemendorf CAT 3 1 0 0 .080 M.Myers SS 4 0 0 0 .307 C.Dickerson CF 4 0 0 0 .153 C.King RF 4 0 0 0 .247 J.Acevedo LF 4 0 2 1 .600 C.Kelly LF 4 0 0 0 .184 D.Hawk PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 C.Haggerty 2B 4 0 1 0 .281 J.Groeger PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 S.Tracey PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 D.Shafer PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 F.Dizard PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 F.Hernandez PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 TOTALS 34 4 8 4 TOTALS 35 3 9 2 GREAT FALLS 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 3 0- 4 8 2 BILLINGS 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 1- 3 9 2 E--C.Kelly, C.Haggerty, L.Bolivar, J.Acevedo. DP--GREAT FALLS 2, BILLINGS 0. LOB--GREAT FALLS 6, BILLINGS 8. 2B--A.Gray (10), C.Lee (2), B.Bounds (13), C.Lisk (2), L.Bolivar (6), H.Hernandez (11), J.Acevedo (1). HR--C.Lisk (5). SB--C.Haggerty (2). HBP--H.Hernandez. YTD IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA GREAT FALLS S.Tracey (W,4-2) 7.0 6 1 1 0 1 0 3.71 F.Dizard 1.0 2 1 1 1 0 0 3.86 F.Hernandez (S,5) 1.0 1 1 1 1 1 0 1.93 BILLINGS D.Hawk 7.0 4 1 1 1 3 1 2.45 J.Groeger (L,1-1) 0.2 2 3 3 2 1 0 9.69 D.Shafer 1.1 2 0 0 0 1 0 2.35 HB--S.Tracey. WP--F.Hernandez 2, D.Hawk. SO--A.Gray, C.King, C.Kelly, C.Haggerty 2, L.Bolivar, C.Ziemendorf. BB--A.Gray, C.Lee, B.Bounds, J.Votto, C.Ziemendorf. T--2:36. A--4115

LaMura with a nice start to bounce back in Game 2 KANNAPOLIS 4 AT GREENSBORO 1 DH GAME #2 YTD YTD KANNAPOLIS AB R H BI AVG GREENSBORO AB R H BI AVG A.Webster CF 4 0 0 0 .290 J.Aponte RF 3 0 1 0 .247 L.Luna 2B 3 1 1 0 .214 K.Randel 2B 2 0 1 1 .227 T.Brice 1B 3 0 0 0 .287 J.Hermida DH 2 0 1 0 .287 M.Christense DH 3 0 1 0 .261 A.Rohleder LF 3 0 0 0 .256 J.Acevas CAT 3 0 1 1 .231 T.Merkle 1B 3 0 1 0 .301 J.Lackaff 3B 3 0 0 0 .143 R.Andino SS 3 0 1 0 .194 A.Gonzalez SS 1 0 0 0 .229 K.Clute 3B 3 0 0 0 .184 P.Lopez SS 2 1 1 0 .276 G.Lynam CAT 2 0 0 0 .000 D.Cook RF 2 1 1 0 .125 A.Molina CAT 1 0 0 0 .240 B.Ivy LF 3 1 1 0 .152 A.Brewer CF 3 1 1 0 .223 B.LaMura PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 P.Mildren PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 L.Holdzkom PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 TOTALS 27 4 6 1 TOTALS 25 1 6 1 KANNAPOLIS 0 0 0 1 2 0 1- 4 6 0 GREENSBORO 0 0 1 0 0 0 0- 1 6 2 E--R.Andino, A.Molina. DP--KANNAPOLIS 1, GREENSBORO 0. LOB--KANNAPOLIS 4, GREENSBORO 5. 2B--J.Acevas (1), P.Lopez (19). SB--P.Lopez (21), D.Cook (2), K.Randel (15), J.Hermida (17). CS--A.Webster, R.Andino. YTD IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA KANNAPOLIS B.LaMura (W,6-7) 7.0 6 1 1 2 5 0 3.61 GREENSBORO P.Mildren (L,3-7) 6.1 6 4 0 2 4 0 4.06 L.Holdzkom 0.2 0 0 0 0 0 0 3.12 WP--B.LaMura, P.Mildren. PB--G.Lynam. SO--A.Webster, T.Brice, A.Gonzalez, B.Ivy, J.Hermida, T.Merkle, R.Andino, G.Lynam 2. BB--L.Luna, D.Cook, K.Randel, J.Hermida. T--2:09.

Kannapolis shut out in Game 1 KANNAPOLIS 0 AT GREENSBORO 6 DH GAME #1 YTD YTD KANNAPOLIS AB R H BI AVG GREENSBORO AB R H BI AVG P.Lopez 2B 3 0 1 0 .275 J.Aponte LF 2 0 0 0 .244 A.Gonzalez SS 2 0 1 0 .229 K.Randel 2B 3 0 1 2 .221 J.Acevas 1B 3 0 0 0 .217 J.Hermida RF 3 0 0 0 .285 M.Christense 3B 3 0 0 0 .259 A.Rohleder CF 0 3 0 0 .258 J.Lackaff DH 3 0 0 0 .182 T.Merkle 1B 2 1 1 0 .300 D.Ciraco RF 3 0 0 0 .247 A.Molina CAT 3 0 2 3 .242 G.Molina CAT 3 0 0 0 .245 R.Word DH 2 0 0 1 .191 D.Cook CF 1 0 0 0 .100 R.Andino SS 2 1 1 0 .192 B.Ivy LF 1 0 0 0 .133 K.Clute 3B 1 1 0 0 .188 B.Miller PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 S.Olsen PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 F.Arellan PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 J.Demontel PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 A.Perez PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 TOTALS 22 0 2 0 TOTALS 18 6 5 6 KANNAPOLIS 0 0 0 0 0 0 0- 0 2 0 GREENSBORO 0 1 2 2 0 1 X- 6 5 1 E--R.Andino. DP--KANNAPOLIS 0, GREENSBORO 1. LOB--KANNAPOLIS 4, GREENSBORO 2. 2B--T.Merkle (12). SB--P.Lopez (20), A.Gonzalez (9), R.Andino (6). CS--P.Lopez. HBP--A.Gonzalez, A.Rohleder 2. SF--R.Word. SH--J.Aponte. YTD IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA KANNAPOLIS B.Miller (L,7-7) 4.0 5 5 5 3 3 0 5.38 F.Arellan 1.0 0 1 1 0 0 0 2.86 A.Perez 1.0 0 0 0 1 0 0 3.20 GREENSBORO S.Olsen (W,3-6) 6.0 2 0 0 2 2 0 3.50 J.Demontel 1.0 0 0 0 0 1 0 6.46 HB--B.Miller, F.Arellan, S.Olsen. WP--B.Miller. BALKS--B.Miller. SO--A.Gonzalez, D.Ciraco, G.Molina, J.Hermida 2, T.Merkle. BB-- D.Cook, B.Ivy, A.Rohleder, T.Merkle, R.Andino, K.Clute. A--4441

What was wrong with him?

I don't buy that at all. Griffey's injuries were not only freakish, but as a general rule could be attributed to some specific happening. I am not an expert on steroids, but I don't see Griffey as being someone on them. I think the guy has just had an incredible run of bad luck. It does happen.

Yep, he went 0-4 on Wednesday night. He sucks.... Definitely a wasted pick!

Charlotte Game 2 - Gload keeps on hitting NORFOLK (2) AT CHARLOTTE (9) NORFOLK AB R H BI CHARLOTTE AB R H BI E Snead CF 4 1 1 0 A Miles 2B 4 1 0 0 D Garcia 2B 3 0 1 0 T Hummel 3B 4 1 2 1 M Scutaro 3B 3 0 0 0 R Gload 1B 4 2 2 5 J Toca LF 3 0 0 0 J Borchard CF 3 0 0 0 M Watson RF 2 0 0 0 J Burke C 3 0 2 0 R Johnson 3B 1 1 0 0 A Rios RF 3 1 1 0 J Depastino DH 3 0 1 0 R Hankins DH 3 1 0 0 M Glavine 1B 3 0 1 1 N Murphy LF 3 2 2 2 J Wilson C 3 0 1 0 J Nunez SS 3 1 2 1 TOTALS 25 2 5 1 TOTALS 30 9 11 9 NORFOLK 100 100 0-- 2 CHARLOTTE 052 002 x-- 9 E--B Cooper, D Garcia. DP--NORFOLK 1, CHARLOTTE 1. LOB--NORFOLK 6, CHARLOTTE 4. 2B--M Glavine, J Depastino. HR--R Gload 2 (11) (off H Bell, J Joseph), N Murphy 1 (1) (off J Joseph). IP H R ER BB SO HR NORFOLK J Joseph (L,4-4) 3 8 7 7 1 2 2 P Zamora 2 1 0 0 0 2 0 H Bell 1 2 2 2 0 2 1 CHARLOTTE B Cooper (W,9-8) 7 5 2 1 4 4 0 BALK--J Joseph. SO--NOR: M Scutaro, J Toca, M Glavine, R Johnson. CHA: J Borchard 2, A Rios 2, T Hummel, R Hankins. BB--NOR: R Johnson 2, M Watson, D Garcia. CHA: J Borchard. T--2:10. A--4,568.

Wing with a third tough outing in a row..... W/S debut for Purvis.... Still no Spidale MYRTLE BEACH 5 AT WINSTON-SALEM 6 YTD YTD MYRTLE BEACH AB R H BI AVG WINSTON-SALEM AB R H BI AVG G.Blanco CF 4 2 2 0 .260 N.Martel CF 4 1 1 0 .256 G.Miller LF 4 1 1 0 .263 N.Martel RF 1 0 0 0 .256 A.Marte 3B 4 1 2 3 .291 M.Morse SS 3 0 0 0 .231 S.Thorman 1B 5 0 1 0 .253 B.Becker DH 4 2 2 1 .275 B.Pena CAT 5 0 2 0 .309 E.Welsh LF 4 0 0 0 .257 Y.Peters DH 4 0 1 0 .164 M.Spidale CF 0 0 0 0 .287 C.Thomas PR 0 0 0 0 .225 E.Storey 3B 4 1 3 1 .256 A.Herr 2B 4 1 1 0 .269 C.Rogowski 1B 4 1 3 2 .274 C.Duran RF 4 0 0 0 .227 D.Holt LF 0 0 0 0 .259 T.Pena SS 4 0 1 1 .261 D.Holt RF 3 1 1 2 .259 M.McBride PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 W.Rosa CAT 4 0 1 0 .228 D.Watkins PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 C.Amador 2B 4 0 0 0 .167 R.Wing PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 R.Hummel PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 R.Purvis PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 T.Bittner PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 J.Fields PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 TOTALS 38 5 11 4 TOTALS 35 6 11 6 MYRTLE BEACH 0 0 0 0 2 3 0 0 0- 5 11 3 WINSTON-SALEM 0 0 3 0 0 2 1 0 X- 6 11 2 E--A.Marte, B.Pena, M.McBride, N.Martel, C.Amador. DP--MYRTLE BEACH 1, WINSTON-SALEM 0. LOB--MYRTLE BEACH 12, WINSTON-SALEM 7. 2B--G.Miller (12), B.Pena (13), Y.Peters (3), A.Herr (13), N.Martel (8), B.Becker (17), E.Storey (13), C.Rogowski (14). 3B--B.Pena (1). HR--A.Marte (10), D.Holt (6). SB--C.Rogowski (13). SH--M.Morse. YTD IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA MYRTLE BEACH M.McBride 6.0 7 5 5 1 7 1 3.05 D.Watkins (L,0-2) 2.0 4 1 1 0 1 0 1.52 WINSTON-SALEM R.Wing 5.2 7 5 5 5 3 1 2.80 R.Hummel 0.1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 R.Purvis (W,1-0) 1.1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 T.Bittner 0.2 1 0 0 1 0 0 4.18 J.Fields (S,10) 1.0 1 0 0 0 1 0 3.68 WP--R.Wing. SO--A.Marte, A.Herr, T.Pena 2, N.Martel, M.Morse, B.Becker, E.Welsh, C.Rogowski, D.Holt, W.Rosa, C.Amador. BB--G.Blanco, G.Miller, A.Marte, Y.Peters, A.Herr, C.Duran, D.Holt. T--2:42. A--2277