Rex Hudler

Big West baseball is what its about. Fullerton and Long Beach State. Give it up! You might have an argument if you wanna bring up Big 12 baseball.

How about the 2000 Chicago White Sox for a comparison??? Everyone kept expecting the White Sox to find reality, but they never did (until the playoffs, of course).

big 10 baseball??????? now i have a problem respecting your knowledge on baseball. Work with me LDF, will ya? LOL I am a Big Ten guy in general. But I can certainly tell the difference between SEC Baseball and Big Ten Baseball.

Can you be more specific? Do you want to know how each team performed? How certain players performed? Give me specifics and i will give you my two cents on anything, which along with 50 cents might still get you a coke in some places.

Yeah, but can you hit??

I'm not sure nurturing would have made him find his heater. He never had it this year, so I don't think you can say it was lost due to Manuel's handling.

That should have been in green, MSF. You know damned well that I am a Big Ten guy all the way. I will acknowledge that the baseball in the SEC is a wee bit better than up north. LOL

His first start was June 15, two weeks before the trade.

McCarthy lost...... lots of runners, but no earned runs... Nanita hit streak alive GREAT FALLS 4 AT MISSOULA 7 YTD YTD GREAT FALLS AB R H BI AVG MISSOULA AB R H BI AVG A.Gray 2B 4 0 0 0 .317 J.McStoots SS 5 0 3 0 .250 R.Nanita CF 4 1 1 0 .390 C.Gonzalez RF 3 1 0 0 .274 C.Lee 1B 4 1 1 2 .385 T.Vanzile RF 1 0 0 0 .095 C.Lee 3B 0 0 0 0 .385 A.Murillo DH 4 2 4 1 .322 C.Lisk DH 4 0 1 0 .278 A.Mottram 1B 3 1 1 0 .288 C.King LF 3 0 0 0 .250 M.Montero CAT 4 1 2 0 .303 C.King RF 0 0 0 0 .250 A.McCreery 3B 3 1 0 1 .351 M.Deuchler CAT 3 1 1 0 .372 J.Acosta LF 4 0 0 0 .220 S.Morris RF 3 0 0 0 .185 J.Kaplan CF 4 1 3 3 .315 B.Bounds PH 1 0 0 0 .336 E.Bonifacio 2B 3 0 1 1 .154 B.Bounds 1B 0 0 0 0 .336 J.Allender PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 C.Kelly 3B 3 1 2 2 .213 H.Guerrero PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 C.Kelly LF 1 0 0 0 .213 T.Vaillancou PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 C.Haggerty SS 3 0 1 0 .296 J.Perrault PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 B.McCarthy PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 A.Cremidan PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 R.Surratt PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 M.Moat PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 TOTALS 33 4 7 4 TOTALS 34 7 14 6 GREAT FALLS 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 2 0- 4 7 4 MISSOULA 0 0 1 2 1 0 3 0 X- 7 14 0 E--A.Gray, C.King, C.Haggerty, B.McCarthy. DP--GREAT FALLS 1, MISSOULA 0. LOB--GREAT FALLS 7, MISSOULA 7. 2B--C.Kelly (5), A.Murillo (10), J.Kaplan (7). 3B--J.Kaplan (2). HR--C.Lee (1), C.Kelly (3). SB-- A.Gray (2), A.McCreery (3), J.Kaplan (3), E.Bonifacio (5). CS-- C.King, J.McStoots 2, E.Bonifacio. SF--A.McCreery. YTD IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA GREAT FALLS B.McCarthy (L,4-2) 5.0 8 4 0 2 5 0 1.88 R.Surratt 2.1 6 3 3 1 3 0 4.76 M.Moat 0.2 0 0 0 0 1 0 5.59 MISSOULA J.Allender (W,1-2) 6.1 3 1 1 4 6 0 10.38 H.Guerrero 0.1 1 1 1 0 0 1 6.75 T.Vaillancou 1.0 2 2 2 1 1 1 9.72 J.Perrault 0.1 0 0 0 0 0 0 4.26 A.Cremidan (S,4) 1.0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 WP--B.McCarthy, J.Allender. SO--A.Gray 2, C.Lisk, M.Deuchler, S.Morris 2, C.Kelly, J.McStoots, C.Gonzalez, T.Vanzile, J.Acosta 3, J.Kaplan, E.Bonifacio 2. BB--A.Gray, R.Nanita, C.King, M.Deuchler, C.Haggerty, C.Gonzalez, A.Mottram, E.Bonifacio. T--2:37. A--1144

Rupe with a pretty good start it seems..... KANNAPOLIS 2 AT LEXINGTON 3 YTD YTD KANNAPOLIS AB R H BI AVG LEXINGTON AB R H BI AVG A.Webster CF 4 0 1 0 .289 W.Alvarez CF 4 0 1 1 .218 P.Lopez SS 5 0 2 0 .279 M.Obradovich CAT 4 0 0 0 .187 T.Brice RF 3 0 0 1 .284 R.Kochen DH 4 0 1 0 .233 M.Christense 1B 4 0 1 0 .260 J.Humphries 1B 4 0 1 0 .297 J.Lackaff 3B 3 0 0 0 .118 T.Soto 2B 3 1 1 0 .280 D.Ciraco LF 4 0 0 0 .243 F.Acevedo RF 3 1 0 0 .224 J.Terrell DH 3 1 1 0 .228 P.Peavey 3B 2 1 1 1 .264 G.Molina CAT 2 1 0 0 .243 R.Cespedes LF 2 0 1 1 .225 J.Acevas PH 1 0 1 0 .259 O.Fernando SS 3 0 1 0 .226 L.Luna 2B 4 0 1 1 .222 F.Nieve PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 J.Rupe PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 B.Westhoff PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 B.Murray PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 D.Freeman PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 TOTALS 33 2 7 2 TOTALS 29 3 7 3 KANNAPOLIS 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1- 2 7 1 LEXINGTON 0 0 1 2 0 0 0 0 X- 3 7 2 E--G.Molina, T.Soto, F.Acevedo. DP--KANNAPOLIS 0, LEXINGTON 1. LOB--KANNAPOLIS 9, LEXINGTON 4. 2B--J.Acevas (2), L.Luna (1). SF-- T.Brice. SH--R.Cespedes. YTD IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA KANNAPOLIS J.Rupe (L,5-5) 6.0 6 3 3 1 7 0 3.02 B.Murray 2.0 1 0 0 0 1 0 1.08 LEXINGTON F.Nieve (W,10-7) 6.0 4 1 1 4 3 0 3.59 B.Westhoff 2.0 1 0 0 0 1 0 3.94 D.Freeman (S,18) 1.0 2 1 1 0 1 0 1.35 SO--A.Webster, T.Brice, M.Christense 2, D.Ciraco, W.Alvarez, M.Obradovich, R.Kochen, J.Humphries, T.Soto, F.Acevedo 2, O.Fernando. BB--A.Webster, J.Lackaff, J.Terrell, G.Molina, P.Peavey. T--2:16. A--7046

BLUEFIELD 7 AT BRISTOL 5 YTD YTD BLUEFIELD AB R H BI AVG BRISTOL AB R H BI AVG E.Morel 2B 5 1 2 1 .253 C.Young CF 4 1 1 0 .325 T.Brown SS 4 1 1 1 .268 R.Valido SS 5 0 3 0 .309 C.Shafer LF 4 2 2 1 .212 R.Sweeney RF 4 1 1 0 .267 Q.Ascencion CF 4 0 2 1 .239 M.Perez 3B 3 0 0 1 .268 T.Thurman 1B 5 0 2 3 .286 M.Herring DH 2 2 1 1 .286 K.George 3B 4 0 0 0 .229 T.Collaro PH 1 0 0 0 .264 T.Gilhooly RF 5 0 0 0 .207 E.Young LF 3 0 0 1 .250 J.Hadad DH 4 0 0 0 .231 M.Bohlander 1B 4 0 0 0 .239 R.Estrada PR 0 1 0 0 .169 M.Lenderman CAT 3 1 2 2 .190 S.Blanton PH 1 0 0 0 .091 C.Castillo PH 1 0 0 0 .222 F.Guerrero CAT 3 2 1 0 .214 C.Castillo CAT 0 0 0 0 .222 J.Hoey PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 F.Lebron 2B 4 0 1 0 .226 C.Reilly PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 J.Marshall PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 R.Petrick PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 S.Suarez PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 R.Acosta PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 D.Banks PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 R.Flores PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 TOTALS 39 7 10 7 TOTALS 34 5 9 5 BLUEFIELD 2 0 0 0 0 0 2 3 0- 7 10 4 BRISTOL 0 0 1 2 0 1 1 0 0- 5 9 3 E--T.Brown, T.Thurman, J.Hoey 2, R.Valido, M.Perez, J.Marshall. DP--BLUEFIELD 1, BRISTOL 0. LOB--BLUEFIELD 10, BRISTOL 8. 2B--F.Guerrero (3), C.Young (7). HR--M.Herring (3), M.Lenderman (1). SB--E.Morel (8). CS--E.Morel, C.Young. HBP--C.Young, M.Perez. YTD IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA BLUEFIELD J.Hoey 5.0 5 3 3 3 2 1 2.84 C.Reilly 1.1 3 2 2 0 1 1 2.45 R.Petrick 0.0 0 0 0 1 0 0 2.38 R.Acosta (W,2-2) 2.2 1 0 0 0 3 0 2.81 BRISTOL J.Marshall 0.1 3 2 1 1 0 0 3.65 S.Suarez 5.2 2 0 0 1 7 0 2.25 D.Banks 0.2 0 2 2 3 0 0 8.00 R.Flores (L,1-3) 2.1 5 3 0 0 2 0 4.70 HB--J.Hoey 2. BALKS--R.Acosta. SO--C.Shafer, T.Thurman 2, K.George, T.Gilhooly 3, S.Blanton, F.Guerrero, C.Young 2, R.Sweeney, T.Collaro, E.Young, M.Lenderman. BB--T.Brown, C.Shafer, Q.Ascencion, K.George, F.Guerrero, R.Sweeney, M.Perez, M.Herring, E.Young. T--3:16. A--892

Phillips has to hate Winston-Salem, NC LOL MYRTLE BEACH 5 AT WINSTON-SALEM 0 YTD YTD MYRTLE BEACH AB R H BI AVG WINSTON-SALEM AB R H BI AVG G.Blanco CF 5 0 2 1 .265 R.Yan 2B 4 0 1 0 .288 G.Miller LF 5 1 2 0 .265 M.Spidale CF 3 0 0 0 .280 A.Marte 3B 4 1 1 0 .290 B.Becker DH 4 0 0 0 .271 S.Thorman 1B 4 0 1 0 .249 E.Welsh LF 3 0 0 0 .254 B.David PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 D.Holt RF 4 0 0 0 .255 C.Thomas PH 1 0 0 0 .226 C.Rogowski 1B 3 0 1 0 .276 R.Roberts PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 E.Storey 3B 3 0 0 0 .248 B.Pena CAT 3 1 3 1 .320 M.Morse SS 3 0 1 0 .232 Y.Peters 1B 1 0 0 0 .162 W.Rosa CAT 2 0 0 0 .225 Y.Peters DH 3 0 0 0 .162 M.Phillips PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 A.Herr 2B 4 1 1 0 .267 R.Purvis PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 C.Duran RF 3 1 0 0 .221 J.Fields PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 T.Pena SS 4 0 2 1 .267 M.Butler PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 B.Digby PIT 0 0 0 0 .000 TOTALS 37 5 12 3 TOTALS 29 0 3 0 MYRTLE BEACH 2 0 0 1 0 0 0 2 0- 5 12 0 WINSTON-SALEM 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0- 0 3 2 E--D.Holt, M.Phillips. DP--MYRTLE BEACH 1, WINSTON-SALEM 0. LOB-- MYRTLE BEACH 8, WINSTON-SALEM 5. 2B--A.Marte (27), A.Herr (14). SB--B.Pena (2), T.Pena (12), M.Spidale 2 (18), C.Rogowski (15). HBP--W.Rosa. SF--B.Pena. YTD IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA MYRTLE BEACH M.Butler (W,1-1) 5.0 3 0 0 2 2 0 1.13 B.Digby 2.0 0 0 0 0 1 0 5.00 B.David 1.0 0 0 0 0 1 0 9.53 R.Roberts 1.0 0 0 0 0 2 0 2.64 WINSTON-SALEM M.Phillips (L,1-4) 7.0 9 3 1 1 5 0 2.87 R.Purvis 1.0 2 2 2 1 1 0 7.71 J.Fields 1.0 1 0 0 0 1 0 3.61 HB--M.Butler. SO--G.Blanco 2, A.Marte, S.Thorman 2, Y.Peters 2, M.Spidale 2, B.Becker, D.Holt, E.Storey 2. BB--A.Marte, C.Duran, M.Spidale, E.Welsh. T--2:28. A--2815

Was there any other direction that he could go besides down from .500??

3 down in a row for Barons..... TENNESSEE (10) AT BIRMINGHAM (2) TENNESSEE AB R H BI BIRMINGHAM AB R H BI S Schumaker CF 6 1 4 0 D Sandoval 2B 5 0 0 0 A Benjamin LF 0 0 0 0 J Hamilton LF 3 0 0 0 J Nelson SS 4 1 0 0 J Piniella PH 1 0 1 0 P Bolivar LF 5 2 3 1 J Reed DH 4 0 0 0 B Jacobsen DH 5 1 1 0 G Alvarez 1B 4 0 1 1 K Burns RF 5 2 2 1 S Bikowski RF 4 1 1 0 C Cosme 2B 4 2 1 0 C Maldonado C 3 0 1 0 C Erickson 3B 3 1 2 2 T Nicholson 3B 3 0 1 0 Y Molina C 4 0 3 4 G Reyes SS 4 0 0 0 C Weekly 1B 4 0 0 0 C Durham CF 3 1 2 1 TOTALS 40 10 16 8 TOTALS 34 2 7 2 TENNESSEE 010 100 044 -- 10 BIRMINGHAM 000 010 010 -- 2 E--C Maldonado, M Wylie, J Nelson 2, C Weekly. DP--BIRMINGHAM 2. LOB--TENNESSEE 9, BIRMINGHAM 8. 2B--C Erickson 2, B Jacobsen, K Burns. 3B--P Bolivar. SB--C Cosme 1 (8). CS--J Reed. S--T Nicholson. SF--Y Molina. IP H R ER BB SO HR TENNESSEE J Villalon (W,4-1) 7 4 1 0 0 5 0 T Johnson 1 2 1 1 1 1 0 J Novinsky 1 1 0 0 1 1 0 BIRMINGHAM M Wylie (L,2-3) 6 7 2 2 1 3 0 R Meaux 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 J Bajenaru 2 7 8 8 4 2 0 WP--J Bajenaru 3, J Villalon. SO--TEN: B Jacobsen 2, C Cosme, J Nelson, S Schumaker. BIR: G Reyes 2, G Alvarez 2, J Hamilton, D Sandoval, T Nicholson. BB--TEN: C Erickson 2, C Weekly, C Cosme, J Nelson. BIR: C Maldonado, C Durham. T--2:54. A--4,829.

Charlotte wins in 12..... CHARLOTTE (6) AT NORFOLK (5) CHARLOTTE AB R H BI NORFOLK AB R H BI A Miles 2B 6 0 0 0 E Snead CF 6 1 1 0 T Hummel SS 6 1 2 1 D Garcia 2B 6 0 0 0 R Gload 1B 6 2 2 0 M Watson LF 6 1 3 1 J Borchard CF 5 1 1 1 J Toca 1B 5 0 2 1 J Burke C 6 1 2 2 P Redman RF 5 1 1 0 A Rios RF 4 0 2 0 J Depastino C 6 0 0 0 R Hankins 3B 5 0 2 2 R Johnson SS 5 0 2 1 N Murphy LF 4 1 1 0 M Glavine DH 3 1 1 1 S Morgan DH 5 0 1 0 C Basak PR 1 1 0 0 J Wilson 3B 4 0 3 1 TOTALS 47 6 13 6 TOTALS 47 5 13 5 CHARLOTTE 000 000 050 001 -- 6 NORFOLK 110 101 001 000 -- 5 DP--CHARLOTTE 2. LOB--CHARLOTTE 8, NORFOLK 10. 2B--S Morgan, J Toca, R Johnson, P Redman, J Wilson. HR--M Glavine 1 (3) (off R Kohlmeier), M Watson 1 (9) (off R Kohlmeier). SB--N Murphy 1 (1), E Snead 3 (41), R Johnson 1 (5). CS--A Rios. IP H R ER BB SO HR CHARLOTTE R Kohlmeier 6 7 4 4 0 3 2 K Wunsch 1 2-3 3 0 0 0 1 0 J Meyer 1 1-3 1 1 1 1 0 0 T Jacquez (W,1-0) 2 0 0 0 2 4 0 A Munoz (S,2) 1 2 0 0 0 1 0 NORFOLK J Griffiths 7 5 0 0 0 5 0 P Strange 2-3 4 5 5 1 0 0 P Zamora 1-3 1 0 0 0 0 0 G Roberts 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 H Bell (L,1-3) 3 3 1 1 1 3 0 HBP--A Rios by P Zamora, P Redman by K Wunsch. SO--CHA: T Hummel 3, S Morgan, N Murphy, A Rios, R Gload, J Borchard, A Miles. NOR: P Redman 3, E Snead, J Toca, M Glavine, J Depastino, M Watson, C Basak. BB--CHA: N Murphy, J Borchard. NOR: J Toca, M Glavine, J Wilson. T--3:56. A--8,534.

Until one of them goes down and need Tommy John surgery. That is why it is not done very often.

MSF, I know you are from up there in frozen tundra, but King came from Southern Mississippi. They are not a member of the high and mighty SEC.

The Sox aren't going to non-tender Carlos Lee. No chance in hell. It's doubtful they would non-tender Wunsch. Those guys will either be with the Sox or traded.

He's also a freakin rookie that is barely 21 years old, IF he is.

Yeah, let's hope he doesn't hit like Pete Rose or Tony Gwynn. That would be terrible. He'd be way overrated.

You can't trade draft picks at all...... You can always find the money to sign guys if you draft right. All you have to do is find players you really like that are likely to be 2nd, 3rd or 4th rounders and overdraft them, with the agreement they will sign for less than slotted money, but more than they would get if they went in a later round.

I do believe so, MSF.

No prpblem.... I didn't know what you meant, but I wasn't offended.

Way too early to tell...

You sure you are willing to offer arbitration to all of those guys? What if they accept and we are stuck with a guy making more money than we want to pay him? I'm not saying they won't, but if the market looks to stay slow, arbitration (a la Greg Maddux) is a good way for a guy to stay closer to the money he was making. That has to be taken into consideration when thinking draft picks.