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QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Aug 8, 2006 -> 06:14 AM) Poorly managed games such as last nights effects our club even more than we may immediately comprehend. It's about the worst situation we could be in. Not only are our pitchers blowing games, but they're hurting us in the future as well. When Guillen leaves in Buehrle, or any other starter, in too long and they're slapped across the diamond their trade value ultimately diminishes. Yes, I know trade value is an issue far from Guillen's mind when he's sitting in the dugout picking his nose. Perhaps if Williams just advised his manager to save his pitchers from complete meltdowns box scores such as last nights could be avoided. Or avoided to the best of the bullpens abilities. I can already forsee what will occur next offseason. A week before Garcia (or whomever else) is delt there's going to be a trade of a starter worse than Garcia for a fairly good package. We'll set expectations based upon that deal, only to be shocked when Williams deals Garcia for a soft tossing, inconsistent, AA prospect; a mediocre bullpen arm; and a 4th OF. The reason for such a poor return will be Williams reluctance to pay any portion of the upcoming years salary. Someone, probably Dbaho, will say, "not even team will give up (package for pitcher worse than Garcia)," or "what did you expect him to get?" All because Guillen left out his starters to ensure personal victories at the expense of his team This is a good post. Theres about 3 threads worth of stuff here, and I will simply say that the main thing that will be on the SOX tombstone for 06, was Ozzies mis-management of the starting staff to "ensure personal victories". Even if we could take the 5 games that Vazquez was clearly floundering and removed him before the game got out of hand (and couldve won), were looking at being only 5 games out

QUOTE(CWSOX45 @ Aug 7, 2006 -> 08:20 PM) WE DIDNT START THE FIRE! Hes Right you know. It was always burning since the World was turning ....... QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Aug 8, 2006 -> 04:20 AM) Some of you just have too high expectations for this team in general after what happened last season. There I said it. We're what 20 games over .500, yet people are criticising Ozzie for his managerial skills. BANNED! Just kidding. You make a good point, the bar has been raised for this team and RIGHTLY SO. What has happened however, is that a very very good AL got even better, so the SOX actually have to raise the bar just a bit higher....................which we know now they werent able to do. My consolation is the SOX will go in the offseason and bolster the bullpen this time around instead of rolling the dice as they did in the offseason. Another very solid starter will help too, perhaps this is the year Buehrle heads to the NL. The SOX will have to know they cant just give games away like candy anymore ............

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Aug 8, 2006 -> 01:36 AM) This one's for *Assclown* in *Assclown City*. Do you even know how many Cubs games you've been to? What if I told you 199? *repeat the word epic over and over again when talking about a meaningless game between the Cubs and Cardinals* /Hang one's self Not really a "Cubs" commercial but Cubs related none the less. That one makes me sick on a couple of levels. AT&T, put so much stock and spent a ton of money "hyping" this "epic battle" that it didnt make any sense. AT&T is so in love with the Cubs, they even gave them their own link to enter a contest to win flub merchandise. All this for a 5th place team who, were it not for the Pirates, would be the worst in the NL. NICE JOB AT&T. Either AT&T did a horrible job researching who were the good teams in baseball, or they simply cant help themselves. They make more of a meaningless "rivalry" than what it really is QUOTE(gosox41 @ Aug 4, 2006 -> 10:34 PM) Anyone hear the latest batch of radio spots the other Chicago team has started? It sounds like it's imitating Sox pride. They have one about why Cub fans stay for the whole game--because it allegedly means something. Also one on why they throw back home run balls. Maybe it's me, but they're 'What it means to be a Cub fan' concept is similar to the Sox Pride. I guess it's a good sign that they think highly of our advertising that they wish to imitate us. Bob The Chicago Cubs have to be one of the most UNIMAGINATIVE, BLAND, and UNPIONEER-LIKE franchises in all of sports. Just like their fanbase, they are copycat, follow-the-leaders who have the nerve to pretend they are one of the storied and mystical franchises of all time. Someone called 670am to make fun of them a few days ago regarding this, I was going to bring it up, but didnt feel like dealing with the Flak associated when I start threads, but it was a good point. The copy Cubs are BLATANTLY copying the true innovators, the White Sox with these ads. Just one more thing to point out, when your laughing at a Cub fan

If the SOX want some Legitimacy, then the next 21 games better see the SOX going 18-3. Lets not forget, if the Tigers go 11-10, that would gain us 7 games. Of course, if the Tigers win a few more than that, and the SOX dont get as hot, well then were in the same boat.

This is the Vazquez we've needed all season long. I hope its not too late ............

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Aug 7, 2006 -> 08:43 AM) I'm still trying to figure out what the "Haha I said attendance" and "Haha I said momentum" are supposed to mean? Inside jokes? You cannot talk about "attendance" (hahhaa) over at another site, as well as talk about "momentum" either, those earn you Vacation time QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Aug 7, 2006 -> 08:51 AM) Is tonights game against Anaheim sold out? It didn't sound like it on the broadcast yesterday. Not Sold Out. There are good tickets available right now. Game also starts at 6:05, ESPN GAME QUOTE(BFirebird @ Aug 5, 2006 -> 12:56 PM) That would be a lot of standing room tix...cause without it weren't they on pace for around 2.6 or 2.7? YES thats correct. IIRC, From here on out, they would have to sell an extra 1,000 tix per game (SRO) to set the 3Million Attendance Mark (hahaha)

QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Aug 7, 2006 -> 08:38 AM) People here are incredibly fickle. Here's a breakdown of at least the most vocal members of Soxtalk, and where they stand on the season on a particular day: After a win: Winning the Central After a loss: Winning the Wild Card After a two-game winning streak: Give us the rings. After a two-game losing streak: Playing golf in October. And if you feel offended in any way by the above chart, you most likely are a person this chart is describing. Thats interesting. Can you break down which people are in which group? There are a few of us here who are chastising other peoples "predictions" for the finish of the season, and Im really curious to see where everyone really is. Im in the Playing Golf in October group myself .........

QUOTE(Wealz @ Aug 5, 2006 -> 12:39 PM) Looks like the Sox have a real chance to reach 3 million in attendance this year. .................................. I'm still waiting for the barrage of stories chronicling this attendance boom, ya know to offset all the stories over the last 10 years about how no one went to the park. I said the SOX would get 3 Million for the 1st time in their history, and was roundly MOCKED here (you both know who you are). There hasnt been any hype or hoopla regarding the sensational attendance (hahahahaahah, I said Attendance!) numbers the SOX have been achieving this season, nor has there been any talk in the media regarding the already record number of SellOuts this season. (Did anyone know that the whole NY/DET series was sold out already? Im sure you didnt) I think the media wants to let you know about how good the flubs attendance has been, "despite" the SOX winning the World Series. What a Joke.

Where will the SOX be at seasons end? Home watching the playoffs

Wait, so now the Red Sox have 2 guys named Lopez on their team?

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Aug 4, 2006 -> 01:10 PM) The argument changes every day to suit one's perspective. I expected that. Now I'll just tootle along and go play somewhere else. Yeah, Im betting the Trib made that Story #1, just to quietly rub this in the SOX' face. If both our parks were equal, we'd have the same attendance (hahahahahaah, I said Attendance!). Story doesnt acknowlegde this notice. Also notice how the story doesnt acknowledge concretely how the SOX are Dominating the Cubs in TV ratings right now (there was a separate story in the SunTimes, but not the Trib about this)

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Aug 4, 2006 -> 07:35 AM) Which is pretty ironic considering this is the lead story in the CHICAGO TRIBUNE sports page... Funny, if I am trying to keep someone down, I sure don't run the LEAD STORY on how much people love them. But maybe I don't know how to keep the man down or something. No....the Trib isnt giving the SOX credit, theyre still saying that HEY even though the SOX won, theres still more people attending Wrigley (never mentions Wrigley was expanded and is bigger than the Cell)

QUOTE(tigerfan1995 @ Aug 3, 2006 -> 11:12 AM) Tick tock, tick tock, tick tock... does this mean you were a Tigers fan since 1995? let me ask this, and be honest. Were you a cub fan until this year and have now become Tigger?

QUOTE(winninguglyin83 @ Aug 3, 2006 -> 11:08 AM) bad night for us. Boston wins on a miracle rally. Detroit pulls ahead in the late innings and wins. we spit the bit against the worst team in the league and make Teahen look like George Brett. it's early August and we have four starters with ERAs at or above 5. We are who we are -- and this year we simply might not be good enough. Sad, but true. I already said it. Were done. We cant rely on the offense to bail us out game after game like earlier in the year. Our pitching is OK at best, but there are way better pitching staffs out there right now, unfortunately, the Tigers staff is one of them. We cant keep pace and give games away, which they refuse to do. We cannot win with ERAs in the 5's. Yeah, sounds "OFF THE WALL", but we wont/cant win. Whats important is that the SOX acknowledge this and make the necessary moves in the offseason to get stronger, because the Tiggers will ALSO be trying to get stronger now.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Aug 3, 2006 -> 02:57 AM) They're created to discuss the game after its conclusion. Is it any different than a "White Sox Winner" thread? Or is it that only acceptable because it doesn't depress you? Can't have it both ways. Either both or none. That's why WSI is what it is -- any discussions relating to positivity are heralded, whereas threads negative in nature (aside from post game threads) are disregarded. heh heh. Your right, talking negatively about the SOX over there is severely frowned upon, and your labeled a dark cloud/not a real sox fan/troll etc etc. Open discussion isnt allowed there, and to their credit, they at least now say it Isnt a democracy over there. Negative discussion about the SOX is a big topic right now, I see that alot of people are unhappy (unfounded) about the SOX' postgame show, and it being "too positive" or "too much like wsi". All I know is, the SOX have been having problems this season, and to IGNORE this and not acknowledge this is/was Foolish.

Barry Zito, and a legitimate Bullpen Pitcher who can hold leads/keep us in games. Giving up 10+ hits a game Does NOT a Division Win. Sounds "off the wall", but its a rule im sticking by, our pitching is killing us QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Aug 3, 2006 -> 09:27 AM) When I read that Wood was done this season, and he wants to come out of the bullpen next season, it sparked my interest. I think a team will throw more money that they probably should, but if he is cheap enough, I would have NO problem with loading up a deal with incentives, and having Wood come out of the pen. The only reason Wood said that, is because the FOOL wants to remain a Cub, so he can drink at nite, walk into bars in Wrigleyville and have people Roar & Cheer for him for just being Kerry Wood. In no other city will he be treated like a King for winning 5 games a season. That said, I wouldnt mind at all, having Wood out of the bullpen for us.

"you guys might call me crazy..." I dont know, JimH, what do you think of Sweeney at the top of the lineup??

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Aug 1, 2006 -> 12:40 PM) I'd rather have him play LF. That's my stance on him. hes got a great Arm, so id rather keep him in RF

Good for Frank. When you see him hitting LINE DRIVES, is when Big Frank is ON.

However, Hendry the Thief somehow got the Dodgers to give up an excellent ballplayer. I guess the Dodgers didnt learn from the Karros/Grudzielanek fiasco QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Aug 1, 2006 -> 12:18 AM) Ok now now don't call me Hangar and give up on this thread yet. As you all can see on chicagosports.com, there are not 1, but 2 fluff pieces on how the Cubs got such a huge steal acquiring Cesar Izturis for Greg Maddux. So Tribune, please STFU because all Izturis is is a defensive specialist with no power that can't hit or draw a walk, which fits right into the flawed philosophy Jim Hendry runs that got the Cubs where they are this year in the first place. Your right though, the Tribune peed their collective pants reporting this ................. Good Eye .....

QUOTE(JimH @ Aug 1, 2006 -> 11:14 AM) He's represented by Boras, I doubt it. But he represents Crede too, and I'm betting his relationship with the SOX has warmed a bit the last few years. If the SOX end up trading Vazquez or Garcia, the SOX have as good a chance as anyone of signing Zito. I cant see him wanting to be in the glaring spotlight of NYC. The only other team I can see making a hard charge would be STL, they love AL players

QUOTE(JimH @ Aug 1, 2006 -> 11:03 AM) Yup. History says you will say something off the wall, people will debate the point with you, and you'll get all upset about it. Or you will say something and then flip flop about it later. Pretty simple concept huh? hehehe. Now, if you want to continue this discussion so as not to clog up this thread, there is a PM function on this site, just like that other site. I stand by my Off The Wall Prediction. A team with a pitching staff ERA in the 5.00s will not make the playoffs. We just wont. Im looking to 07, and hope we can solidify the bullpen, and get Zito too. I would love to be wrong of course. I didnt flip flop, I simply said ALL ABOARD.

QUOTE(JimH @ Aug 1, 2006 -> 10:36 AM) I suspect the point will have to made again soon if history is any indication. Actually I don't like the goofy caps style either. yup. History says you will follow me around, make fun of my comments, and look for every possible way to discredit what I say here. Go ahead. Im not the only one that said this team cant win with a pitching staff ERA in the 5's. Pretty controversial comment huh?

QUOTE(JimH @ Aug 1, 2006 -> 10:28 AM) hehehe ... The SOX were not OUT of it yesterday but then again you said you were giving UP on the season and looking TOWARD 2007. And now today ... hehehe ... you say the SOX bandwagon is FILLING up, but just make SURE you don't jump on BOARD because on 7/31 you DECLARED them dead ... hehehe. I declared them dead BEFORE 7.31 actually, but heck, I would love to be completely wrong about this team and have to eat a Crow Sandwich. Heres to being wrong in October

QUOTE(JimH @ Aug 1, 2006 -> 09:59 AM) At least every couple of days you reference WSI negatively, if not every day. We get it already, you don't like WSI. not me. I love that other place. and the other place thats the offshoot of this place too QUOTE(Steff @ Aug 1, 2006 -> 09:30 AM) Is the other site filled with complaints about threads that are clearly defined in their intent and can easily be passed over. actually very clever comment