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I think its time MLB came up with a fair way of measuring distance for homeruns. Someone from the Black Jays crushed a homer recently off the SOX and it was a bomb, longest ive seen in a while, and it hit a few levels up directly in that Hard Rock Cafe. QUOTE(joeynach @ Jun 16, 2006 -> 03:39 PM) Use google earth to get the exact distance i got something around 447. Just zoom into the ballpark and draw a line measued in feet from homeplate to where the ball landed ( from the replay) in the grass area in center and you will get the distance. Its that easy. thats a good idea ...........

QUOTE(JimH @ Jun 16, 2006 -> 04:23 PM) You have yet to prove the Tribune doesn't want to promote the Sox. You can't, you never will. You are simply reaching your own personal conclusions. The Tribune isnt going to come right out and tell you this, dont be ridiculous. Short of them coming out and saying "HANGAR WAS RIGHT, we prefer to market the Cubs instead of the SOX", we wont know definitively. Next step would be to simply keep track of the numbers of stories dedicated to both teams. Are you saying Jim that the Cubs have been way more "interesting" the last 10 years (1996), and thats why they get more coverage? Lets see, in that same timespan, that other team has been HORRIBLE, nearly losing 100 games 4 times in that span, and finishing 172 games out of 1st place in those years (17.25 games out of 1st on average) How is that more interesting than a team that has won 90 games twice in that span, and finishing 85.5 games out of 1st place in those same years (8.5 games out of 1st on average) Those numbers say the SOX have been pretty darned good for a period of time. Heck, they went 11-1 in playoffs last year and Won It All. How is that not worthy of some respect ? Or are we going to go with the equally unprovable "well, there are more cub fans than sox fans-your clueless hangar" The Cubs have gotten more stories when they were bad, and have gotten a TON more when they were "good". Thats what the numbers are Saying to you. Your just not Listening. Until George Knue comes here personally and tells you personally over dinner, that they prefer to market their team (which they own by the way), your going to come to this thread, clog it up with your same questioning of my thesis and conclusions. They noticed fans are on to them, theyve told me. I'll take someone over at the Trib/Times quietly telling me to keep it up, over you telling to stop doing this

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jun 16, 2006 -> 04:16 PM) It is a joke. They dispatch a guy to Chicago for an appeal hearing on June 16, for an act that occurred May 20. I figured it would take weeks. I thought maybe 2, at the most 3, but tomorrow it will be 4. Who knows how long until they rule. The appeal process is ridiculous. Within 48 hours, if a player appeals, he has 48 hours to FLY TO NY and appeal in person. And put an end to the APPEAL ROULETTE WHEEL, where appealing guarantees a few games shaved off original suspension. This isnt a freaking game show. Your suspension means your suspended, you arent free to serve it when your good and ready.

Bob Watson is a YES man .............. If this lazy-ass would get his butt out of the golf cart, put the clubs away, and did some work, this wouldve been taken care of 48 hours after it happened. MLB = Pathetic

QUOTE(SoxFanInDallas @ Jun 16, 2006 -> 03:04 PM) Yeah, I'm worried about him. Not because of his ripping Tracey and the team, but because he is going to have a hard time this weekend seeing Thome on the bench for 2 games! hey, right now, I will take KONERKO hitting over THOME. Jimmy has been getting himself out an awful lot lately. Say Jimmy, I will take a BB over a Popup anytime.

QUOTE(SoxFan76 @ Jun 16, 2006 -> 02:56 PM) It wouldn't be much of a media watch if he did it once and was done with it. That would kind of defeat the purpose. Good Points SoxFan76, all very much valid. If I did a media watch for one day, then told everyone thats the truth, people would say get out of here, you have to do it on a daily basis to see whats true or not. Ribbie seems to be the only one commenting on a specific story whether its positive or negative. Truth be told, the SOX need coverage (positive-not negative) and if a story is "negative" such as "Sox bullpen stinks-heres who they should get", its still a story and it keeps the SOX product in the public eye. Out of sight Out of Mind is the rule-of-thumb in marketing. Why do you think you see Coca-Cola ads and commercials everyday, every year. and McDonalds? You will see that forever, because the minute they stop advertising Coke or McDonalds, Pepsi and Burger King will step up their advertising campaign five-fold and take over the market. "Your such a poo-poo head Hangar, so your saying the only reason I prefer Coke over Pepsi is because of media advertising? You have to get a clue, no wonder they banned you yuk yuk" Tribune knows this. Theyve been in the business for a long long time, they dont want to promote the SOX, it hurts the Cubs, so they make sure to give as much coverage as possible to that team, and if they have to slam the SOX in the process, hey so be it "Hangar, Im a SOX fan because Im a SOX fan, not because of the media, your such an idiot" So every time I see the same people saying the same thing "this is a stupid thread", doesnt really serve a purpose QUOTE(SoxHawk1980 @ Jun 16, 2006 -> 03:44 PM) And the implication that there is some vast anti-sox conspiracy out there is both ludicrous and immature. then you sir, havnt been paying much attention the last 20 or so years have you? Ive noticed, and they (trib and others) have noticed that I noticed and acknowledge me, quietly

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Jun 16, 2006 -> 02:54 PM) Were there bullet holes in the upper deck seats too? HEHH HEHE HEHEH. On a serious note, I was hoping they would renovate the stadium and do something useful with it. It really is one of the last stadiums of that era to be still standing in almost vintage condition. Fenway and The Urinal have had so much work done to it, they arent really the same parks anymore.

QUOTE(tigerfan @ Jun 16, 2006 -> 02:00 PM) .............................. sometimes a fight like that can bring a team together, and get them fired up. The Sox/Tigers brawl in 2000 seemed to have that affect on the Tigers. They were struggling before that, and actually made a playoff push late in the year. The only team that got fired up was the SOX in 2000

Thats unfortuneate ............ http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-t...ov=ap&type=lgns

QUOTE(infohawk @ Jun 16, 2006 -> 01:18 PM) You hit it on the head. I enjoy reading Mariotti for the entertainment value of his rants, but I don't view him as a serious sports writer. Some of the best articles hes ever written, were the ones in 1994, when he absolutely lambasted the Owners during the Strike. Those articles were powerful and he came out firing on them. The fact that he doesnt write anything timely like that just tells me hes LAZY and is only in it for the shock value. Good point Infohawk

QUOTE(Kid Gleason @ Jun 16, 2006 -> 12:26 PM) I'm a little confused. I have been reading negative things about Ozzie calling for the intentional hit. It was a retaliation to feeling that AJ had been hit by the pitches (atleast one of them) intentionally. Shouldn't Buck be coming under fire for using a baseball as a weapon then? Why is it O.K. for one manager to call for the intentional hit, but not the other? But I guess since Ozzie yelled at somebody it makes his "attack" on the batter all that much worse? Another excellent post. The media worked pretty hard last nite, hopefully someone will come back with this angle tomorrow. Showalter has been known to start stuff like this before, Im still confused why he chose the SOX. Showalter has gotten a free pass so far in all of this. I hope the SOX just forget about this and concentrate on Sweeping the Reds, because I dont feel good about the other team doing anything worthwhile against the Tiggers

QUOTE(tigerfan @ Jun 16, 2006 -> 11:27 AM) I know a lot of you guys won't like this, but I agree completely with Jay's column. I think this whole retailiation crap is stupid. The object is get the guy out, not to knock him on the seat of his pants. If you want to make a statement, then embarass the other team by beating them on the field where it matters most. Furthermore regarding what Ozzie did, I think it should have been handled differently. If he was gonna yell at him like that he should have done it away from the cameras. Also, the guy is a rookie, don't put him in a situation like that. If Ozzie really wanted to hit Blaylock, he should have had someone in there who would be more likely to do it. Someone who's been around for a while. hey man, you bring up an interesting point, theres nothing wrong with a different well-thought viewpoint. I too think that deep down, the SOX should be worrying about sweeping the Rangers instead of only taking 3 of 4, retaliating would get the SOX punished by Bud Seligs stupid rules. But his tone in the column is that Ozzie has "lost it" and that we need a new manager now and hes not fit/barks too much is silly. If Jay wouldve said EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID, he wouldnt get the ire of as many SOX fans as he does.

QUOTE(Queen Prawn @ Jun 16, 2006 -> 08:56 AM) Okay and that begs the question, why does the league tell them to do that? The "league", or as I refer to them as The League of Extraordinarily Dumb Gentleman, does this in a foolish attempt to punish the team that RETALIATES, but doesnt acknowledge the team that INSTIGATES. Its a BS rule that the league has yet to acknowledge is archaic. What the MLB seems to be saying is, ITS OK TO HIT A PLAYER, But not Ok to Defend your player. Selig = Idiot QUOTE(zach23 @ Jun 16, 2006 -> 10:14 AM) Just my opinion, but I would say that this is due to the big dollars involved in baseball currently and the fact that the league believes that fans want to see nothing but the long ball. In the old days teams didn't make as much money, now they rake in billions from TV and advertising. And that I beleive is something the league doesn't want at all. Their view is that HRs bring fans and fans bring advertisers and advertisers mean dollars. WOW

QUOTE(lemon44 @ Jun 16, 2006 -> 11:22 AM) I hope the Cubs sweep the tigers. Stupid Cubs better win 3 ................ or else

QUOTE(henry wiggins @ Jun 16, 2006 -> 11:14 AM) OR about how AJ is such a pariah in the game that not only does he get hit all the time, but his own teammates don't defend him, and CLEARLY he is the 'clubhouse cancer' that he was called by his teammates on the Giants, and the Sox can't win with that kind of player on the club, and Ozzie needs to do something to get control of his team, and Kenny Williams needs to address the caliber of player he's signing!!!! Hey, writing this garbage is easy! You mean K-B gets paid for this?!?! I want a piece of that action! POST OF THE DAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I guarantee you what you wrote was what Moronotti had written in the can, but events forced him to change up. The only good thing, is if the SOX can sustain winning over the next few years, and we slowly start to see a change in the medias coverage (I wish), Moronotti will stand out more and more as the lazy writer he is

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Jun 16, 2006 -> 11:07 AM) The main story on the Des Moines Register website is about a cement truck crash. HEH HEHH

There are a couple of Sox Tailgates tomorrow as well. Im hoping to get into Cincy early afternoon sometime .................... I dont even have a ticket yet, im sure wont be a problem getting one day of game. Some of you have my #, feel free to call me in the afternoon

that is pathetic. Thats why if I even think I see crime about to happen, I take information down and call the police immediately. Cheers to that citizen for trying to help and getting the license plate.

QUOTE(Jimbo @ Jun 16, 2006 -> 09:46 AM) I like the fact Mike Kiley has to include Ozzie Guillen in his inside the cubs garble, not much to work with when you suck...huh mikey boy. Mike Kiley is the worst ............

QUOTE(RibbieRubarb @ Jun 16, 2006 -> 09:34 AM) Good job getting into what the Stories are about. That's just as important, if not more so, than the number of stories. Thanks Ribbie. you guys can also feel free to sound off on what you thought on todays columnists

QUOTE(zach23 @ Jun 15, 2006 -> 06:56 PM) So were all the guys at the Sox 1983 reunion wrong for gushing over that great year? They didn't win anything either, but for the players it was a great year. Wasn't Jack McDowell in the booth during a game gushing over 1993 and how great that was? Hey, no problem with gushing about a great year, but Sutcliffe was slightly boozin', and never once said "too bad we didnt go all the way" or acknowledging the shortcomings of his team. The thing I like about the SOX of 83, is how they ALL lament the fact that they didnt finish the job, and are the first to admit they didnt bring it all home. Ron Kittle at SOX fest said as much to me, saying 83 was fun, but we can all stop talking about it, because 05 won it all. As a kid, I was always depressed about 83, because that was our year. How different things wouldve been had we won it all way back then. All I ever thought about thru the years, was if we couldve gotten past that game, and scored 1 measly run, the next day HOYT would take the mound, and let me tell you, with all of that on the line, LaMarr Hoyt was going to throw a NO HITTER, thats how much confidence I and im sure many others had in him. I got to meet LaMarr Hoyt, he was one of my favorite players on that team, he autographed my 83 jersey (with his 31 on it) and I told him it was an honor to meet him, and Im glad he worked out his problems. I asked what was his biggest regret was, and like clockwork, without pause, said he wished he couldve pitched that game. He said they wouldve won it all, if he couldve gotten one more start. My friend Kevin was with me, and we were both like wow, just what we were thinking. QUOTE(zach23 @ Jun 15, 2006 -> 06:56 PM) Wasn't Jack McDowell in the booth during a game gushing over 1993 and how great that was? Sure, but lets not act like he was patting himself on the back. Ive met BlackJack several times, and he will be the first to tell you wholeheartedly, that 93 was incomplete, he wishes they couldve gone all the way. He will also tell you 94 was THE YEAR ........... and they never got to finish

The Tribune today makes sure to throw Comcast "under the bus" today, heh heh regarding Comcast missing the big "story" after the game between Ozz and rookie Sean Tracey. The SunTimes is the big story in my eyes today. They give the SOX 7 stories, with every sportswriter on staff contributing ....... and the Sox are on the Road!!!! Awesome. But whats more important to note, is all of the stories today reflect something actually of interest to Sox fans, and not fluff. Fluff is fine, dont get me wrong, the SOX surely dont get enough of that. But there are actual angles by all of the writers today ......people are WORKING. How about that huh? The Sox make a big dent today, awesome. Chicago Tribune: 3 cub stories 6 sox stories Chicago SunTimes: 3 cub stories 7 sox stories Standings as of Friday June 16th, 2006 Priviledged, Media Owned, Media Favored, 4th Place in 2005 Cubs 590 Underdog, Media UnderCovered, World Series Champs in 05 Sox 498

QUOTE(Steff @ Jun 16, 2006 -> 08:20 AM) Oh for the love of God.. cut the s*** would ya. With each and every post you dig yourself a deeper hole and reveal just how much of an idiot and a liar you really are. I never said you were a Cub fan, not that there is anything wrong with that if you were (go check the locked thread.. it wasn't me that called you one). For the past 4 years you have leeched on to folks over at WSI who have been nothing but nice to you and now here you are throwing them under a bus. That speaks volumes about your credibility and loyalty. I said the day you slithered over here that folks would not tolerate your condescending tone, and I was right. Regardless of whether your count is wrong, your delivery is insulting, boorish, disrespecful, bad-mannered, uncooth, foul, and vulger. You had 2 ways to present yourself to a somewhat virginal audiance - in regards to your media watch - and you turned the wrong way. That's on you. Keep up the diversion of using me to mask your unintelligent rants. I'm used to such simple minded tactics. But know what your selling isn't being bought as evident by the continued questioning of your dim-witted posts. HEY, lets leave that other website out of this forever OK? any thing else, please PM me, we dont need to give them anymore credit than they deserve ......

Idiotti said something RIGHT though ............. "Amateurish Major league baseball". MLB are idiots for dragging this on, and giving Dirtbag Barrett only 10 games and likely reducing it simply because he "appeals" it. What BullJunk

Good Catch SouthSider. I was going to bring this up yesterday in the media watch, but was too busy with "other" things ........... Its funny that the websites and radio were Jammed talking about this, but the all the rest of the papers and newschannels seemed more interested in the Messiahs pitch count. QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 16, 2006 -> 07:07 AM) Cool. The Tribune saids the samething, so now we can cancel the media watches. Thanks but lets not give the Trib that much credit here, they also underreported this, and are only too happy to point the finger at Comcast.