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QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Aug 24, 2007 -> 05:30 PM) STILL at the GF's house, around hour 30 with no power at my house.... Thats unbelievable!!!!! I mean, who would think you would have a girlfriend.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Aug 24, 2007 -> 04:24 PM) Well, at least we didn't have to give up anything ot pick Myers up. Time to get another position player on this roster. Why the s*** havent we called EVERYONE up yet? Sweeney should be in LF Borgeouis(sp) should be up. f*** lets see Rogo take some hacks. Do SOMETHING

DFA Myers. Thanks for playing Seriously, how is it a submariner has no movement on his pitches.

Best gameday photo: Wasserman

AJP wants to win more than pretty much anyone on this team. How do you think the horrible sp's and pen pitchers have effected him?

QUOTE(ZoomSlowik @ Aug 21, 2007 -> 01:21 PM) We've got DirecTV, doesn't bother me. Comcast is so superior to directv its not even funny.

QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 24, 2007 -> 03:06 PM) I know he hit the slam against a lefty, but everything I've read on him said he struggles vs LHP. And as you know, we're not facing just average lefties in our inter-divisional games. I agree with you that Fields should be in LF next year, and Crede at 3b. Yeah, who knows with Richar. On the other hand. fields hits .338 .379 and is slugging .700 vs LHP.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Aug 24, 2007 -> 02:56 PM) Why did Vick paint the sheds black? Why was he arranging for secret meetings to buy dogs? Why was he trying to hide his operation? They made significant pains to make the dog operation invisible from the sky and from passers by. They also went to lengths to build and develop training programs, equipment and fighting arenas. This was an elaborate and multi state operation and was by no means someone fighting their dogs in the street. This was an almost profession operation, and should be treated as such.

QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 24, 2007 -> 02:58 PM) I've been a broken record for a long time now about how we suck so much against LHP, and have down little to help our chances. Signing Hall was good....but we all know that was a bust. I want to see a Richar/Ozuna platoon at 2b next year, and get a LF and CF that can face both lefties and righties. Fields is your LF that can hit LHP. And Richar apparently can hit both RHP and LHP so i dont know if a platoon is the best thing

QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 24, 2007 -> 02:56 PM) The thing I love about him is that he's doing this all on talent right now. He still is fouling off so many great pitches to hit, and his swing is long. He's impressed me the most about how he's hitting homers off of some of the best righties in the AL, like F. Hernandez, Putz, and now Beckett. I honestly dont think its that his swing is too long, I think he loads it too much. He will begin hitting some of those pitches soon and will make his avg and OBP climb a bit. I think he will be Zimmerman with a little more power.

QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Aug 24, 2007 -> 02:53 PM) Ha. Kalapse is the gayest ever.

QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 24, 2007 -> 02:48 PM) Josh Fields is impressing the hell out of me right now. Is there any way in hell that with a full season of work that he doesnt hit 30 hrs?

work that outside corner Jon. Dont worry they can only hit yet another single off you

its going to rain for the next 12 hours at least

Wht happened to the Garland who attacked hitters.

QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Aug 24, 2007 -> 02:20 PM) So much for a good Garland outing. Nice 2.2 IP though. He makes 2 good pitches then lays one in there

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Aug 24, 2007 -> 02:13 PM) I call Bulls***. It wasn't uncharacteristic -- it had been happening since last July! They were good, offensively, for half a season. You're pretending that nobody saw the offense having trouble and that the team needed changes or that nobody called for any of these moves before. You're not having an honest discussion because KW so smart, if he didn't see it, how could someone else have? Once again. Please show me how predictable the numbers Thome, Konerko,and Dye were going to have this year. Please show me that based on their careers.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Aug 24, 2007 -> 02:11 PM) Well, if you want to complain about harping, I'd complain that you've never said anything critical about management and every move is the right move and KW is so goooooo When did I say Konerko? He'd probably stay, but I'd have definitely made inquiries all over. Why should we have dealt four significant players? Jesus Christ. 1. Garland isn't so good and can be replaced. You maximize his value while it's at maximum value, before he goes back to normal and set yourself up for the future, and hopefully for now, too, with a package. 2. Crede could've been replaced by Fields and shouldn't have been counted on to reproduce his numbers. You pick up Figgins and Willits, perhaps, or just one and someone else, and you've got a new leadoff hitter and a replacement for him is there in Fields. Why keep him? Oh, right, so we can hope that he's "broken out" 3. Dye -- you set yourself up for the future, hopefully, or if you can find a guy who is young and can put up good numbers. Crede and Dye had monster, two standard deviation from the mean type years. Counting on that again? Pffft. Get rid of them and set yourself up for much success. Add some speed to your lineup and some youth. It isn't all that complicated. I don't care how much the season ticket holders howl or people dislike it, because the truth is that none of those guys really should've been held onto, though I know I'm in the minority with regard to drastically retooling that lineup. Wonder why, though, considering how bad they were and have been since the second half last year. Oh, right. Hoping for veterans and injured players to get gooooooooooo again So you would like to draw a parallel between your love for another team and my love for this team. Go right ahead be my guest. Dealing our #3 pitcher while we have a rookie in the #5 slot is asinine and is a move that would get a gm fired. Why wouldnt Crede have the same numbers? He was just coming into his prime, and Fields was one year away. There was also no way in hell we were going to get that package for Crede so give it up. Dye had a monster year and could have been dealt, of course it would have taken a monster package in return and frankl it turned out better than we now have him at a discount for 2 more years, so it was a better move by KW. And you dont need to care about the fans, because im not sure you really ARE that big of a sox fan at this point. For the rest of us who spend thousands of dollars a year on this team, I want to see a competitive team on the field. rebuilding after two back to back 90 win seasons would have been a pretty ridiculous move, especially given that our fanbase is built on winning, not on how many young players we can bring in trades to make prospect junkies happy. If you can find the post before the season where you predicted one of the worst offensive years of the career of Thome, Konerko, Dye, Crede, Uribe, and AJP, I would like to see it.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Aug 24, 2007 -> 02:10 PM) There always is that big Sawx contingent - more so than any other opponent (except the Cubs). And they are quite possibly the worst fans to have around too (as a whole - I'm sure there are some good ones). Worse than the Yanks or the Indians even. alot of them are former cubs fans who converted in 2004

Pretty much a worthless discussion with all the geniuses on here who foresaw our massive offensive slump and the unraveling of the pen. I wish you guys would have told me about this before the season so I did renew my season tickets. I could have then not watched the team in the first few months and agonizing over the losses. I hope you guys can tell me about our record next year, because the suspense is killing me.

QUOTE(Yossarian @ Aug 24, 2007 -> 02:01 PM) Going into this season they were looking at a good shot at mediocrity. It would have been nice if they achieved that. They were 34-43 to finish the 06 season, and there were warning signs all over the place that this team was in trouble. Add their current record to the end of last year and you see not a team in a slump, but a really lousy team that probably won't contend again for a few years. I don't envy Ken Williams. If he makes a contending team in 08 by hook, crook and slight of hand, then he'll deserve all the credit in the world. Oh my bad. You must have been the only person in the world who saw that some of the most consistent offensive teams in baseball would have one of the most uncharacteristic slumps in baseball. Do you have the lottery numbers for me tonight as well?

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Aug 24, 2007 -> 01:58 PM) The Atlanta Braves did it for over a decade: dealing away proven commodities for "question marks" even though people said it didn't make "any sense whatsoever." I doubted that Crede would come back at full health and I know he'll never put up his 2006 line again. With Fields available, you save money, add speed and give your prospect his time. PS: What're you talking about? KW did go into this season without a leadoff man! And no, I don't think he's a horrible GM just because of last offseason. Garland, Crede will never be as good as 2005-2006. That's a no-brainer. If you could deal Dye for quite the package, which I tihnk you could've, you do it because there's no way he'd do it again. His being kept doesn't bug me as much as Crede, Garland, Erstad and Podsednik do. And Balta: I'm sure Crede wasn't a super hot commodity all around baseball but the Angels were very interested and while you weren't going to take their whole farm, you could've gotten a good amount for him and save some cash and bring Fields up. Of course, you can't compete without hoping that veterans with health issues and/or age and their personal histories and limitations as players will have ANOTHER career year. Oh no no no. Can you EVER post without mentioning the Atlanta Braves? Ever? I think you may be on the wrong message board. You still havent said why they should have dealt 4 significant players last offseason for us to compete. All you can say is Braves Braves braves, but still cannot put your finger on why THIS team should have done that in the AL Central. Dealing garland, Crede, Dye, and apparently your idea, Konerko, would have made this a 100 loss team before the season. I guess thats good for you, but for someone who spends money on season tickets and wanted to compete especially after two great years of baseball, that wouldnt have done it for me. I prefer winning. if you cannot reason without using hindsight, then you are just grasping at air.

People have been saying maybe a 5 year ban from the NFL? thats alot of time. Vick WILL serve jail time. Thats good enough for me.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Aug 24, 2007 -> 01:49 PM) Crede, Garland and Dye would've definitely been dealt, Podsednik wouldn't be back (nor would Erstad as anything but a bench player). What would the returns have been? Depends, and I have my opinions on what you could've gotten. I think Willits was a strong possibility in a package for Crede, but I'll decline to speculate on the others except to say that with their great value, I'm sure you could've picked up a bunch of things. Oh, and Jack Cust = great pick-up for Oakland and wouldn't have hurt for us. So you think KW did a horrible job as a GM by not unloading his best defensive IF'er his MVP candiate from last season and his #3 starter, oh and for not going into the season without a lead off man. so to back up his back to back 90 win seasons and a ws title, he should have basically thrown in the towel before this season and dealt 4 significant players for question marks. And with that white flag you believe he would have been a better GM. explain to me how that makes ANY sense whatsoever. To best make a run at the divison, the best way to do that is subtract talent, and add question marks? jack Cust? please. If picking up a journeyman DH was the move you wanted to see, then you need to take a better look at the team you are working with. Ross Gload would have been more valuable.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Aug 24, 2007 -> 01:41 PM) You don't sell EVERYONE at peak value. Clearly, an organization needs some kind of core. Atlanta? Would never trade Chipper Jones. New York? Reyes, of course, is untouchable, and probably always will be. Rivera? Sizemore? Hell, Hafner? Us? I suppose we've got Konerko and Buehrle, but I for one would definitely trade Konerko, though I do hesitate because I worry about killing our franchise' fanbase. Not sure what to think, though, about whether or not the fans will keep on comign out year after year. But Garland? That was a no-brainer, IMO, and KW blew it. Garland at his peak value isn't Greg Maddux or Tom Glavine or Santana or Beckett or anyone that's very very very good that's going to bite you in the ass for years to come. Was Dye that kind of person? Probably not. But I definitely believe in trading veteran pieces away for younger, more exciting guys who you'll control for years. To do that, though, you've really got to trust your scouts and have good coaches. So going into THIS season where you have just come out of back to back 90 win seasons and are looking at taking another good shot at the division title, which players do you fault KW for by not trading them at peak value? At this is before the season starts without putting any of their stats, injuries or prospect performance into the decision. Ok now go.