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QUOTE(RibbieRubarb @ Jul 11, 2005 -> 04:46 PM) First. I was not dishing anything. Sorry if you are sensitive to criticism. I have stated in numerous threads that there is a MVP Baseball mentality lately when theorizing on what the Sox need to do to win. This, to me, was another example. I'm sorry...but trading your Number #1 RBI guy mid-season and replacing him with Huff is radical. Uh, check my posts I never said trade anyone mid-season. Reading is fundamental. I stated that we could pick up Huff for prospects then not re-sign Konerko. I dont understand how that is trading anyone who is leading our team in RBI's. You are mixing my willingness to trade Konerko at anytime, with my actual idea of not re-signing him. Now that you have brought the idea up however, its not a bad idea. He is the #1 RBI guy because where he hits in the order. He is in no way our best hitter. So yeah, I would trade him in a second.

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Jul 11, 2005 -> 04:27 PM) I think both Rowand & Uribe are the type of players that are just happy to be on the team. They know with Ozzie they will get more playing time than on any other contending team. Griffey in particular is the kind of contract GM's salivate over: Signed in 2000, Griffey was paid $7M for 2001, & $6M from 2002-2009. Everything else in the contract is deferred ($57.5M that doesn't begin to earn interest until 2009). There are no penalties if he is traded but Griffey has an iron-clad 100% no-trade clause. He's said he will veto any trade but so did McGriff years ago. The media pressure usually gets to you & you cave in. Why? Because not doing so makes you look like you could care less about winning. So, you are saying.......wait, his contract doesnt matter because it wont happen. Bark up a different tree.

They wont have much payroll flexibility in the trade market after this move.

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Jul 11, 2005 -> 04:05 PM) http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/co...nt/ladewski.htm Schmidt, Omar, & Griffey. Addresses all of our weaknesses when you consider Contra/El Duque can compete for who starts & who is long relief. The total $ cost in 2005 to acquire all 3 would be about $8M. With these 3 guys you don't worry about future cost because their value on the open market exceeds the value of their contracts. Let's say you get swept in the first round. If you don't want to keep them around there will be plenty of buyers willing to take them off your hands. With Schmidt it will cost you $3.5M to say sayonara. Talent wise what they like in our bench & no less than Sweeney & Gonzo in the ml's. You have to be realistic. When Cincy & SFG scour our ml's for players they need they are going to lock in on these two. KW is not good at getting teams to take less than what they want. There are alot of players that would address our weaknesses, and there are others that are more likely to be on the sox. Not gonna happen. Jr will NEVER be on the WHITE SOX

QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Jul 11, 2005 -> 04:05 PM) Not to be a jerk Soxfan, but do you have any first hand recollection of when Griffey was even on the Mariners? You are 15, correct? That would make you 9 or 10 when he was on the Mariners. PS, look at Griffey's stats this year, he may not be the Griffey of old, but when heatlhy, he's outperforming anything in our outfield. I do, and he is still a defensive downgrade and a Juan-gone waiting to happen. He is paid more than he is worth, which is not in the cards for us.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jul 11, 2005 -> 04:00 PM) You're still making one huge gamble in saying Ken Griffey Jr. will remain healthy for an entire season and able to continue playing CF at a high level. A massive one. He is a defensive downgrade, too much money, and we wont do it. Doesnt matter anyway.

QUOTE(RibbieRubarb @ Jul 11, 2005 -> 03:36 PM) That specifically. You cannot make such radical changes to a team on a championship run. By the way, there was no need to be insulting. You shouldnt have made your MVP comment then, dont dish if you cant take it. As far as drastic changes, adding another player, is not drastic. We arent subtracting anyone from our major league lineup, and just adding another players. If that is radical, I guess we should be watching for some serious radical trades coming in the future. I mean, no championship team adds players, well, then again, there was last year......

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jul 11, 2005 -> 03:13 PM) Griffey is not broken down anymore and he has stayed healthy all year. He would be a great acquisition as we need lefthanded power. Rowand is good defensively, not great. he still gets a lot of bad jumps. I am by no means saying he is a bad CFer, just saying he is not great. He may be better suited for the corner OF positions. Griffey is much better than him defensively, no doubt about it. I almost choked on a snickers when I read this. You have got to be kidding me

QUOTE(RibbieRubarb @ Jul 11, 2005 -> 02:48 PM) You can do this in MVP Baseball 2005 not in real life... Great imformative post and all, but you make no sense. Cant do what in real life? Are you speaking of trading for someone who is on the trading block, or moving players? Because as of right now, your post stands at status=spam

He's in as bad of a slump as we will see. He is just losing some focus, it appears to be with his swing more than with the pitchers. He is still making solid contact though.. Im not worried.

Want to know where Young is going to end up next year? In someone else's minor league system. His fast rise points to someone wanting him in one of these deadline deals. I dont see us keeping all three of the AA OF'ers after the trade deadline.

QUOTE(elrockinMT @ Jul 11, 2005 -> 02:33 PM) It's about a team effort and not about individual sttas. I know we can get hung up very easily on such things, but Willie is a big part of the team. He doesn't get a lot of playing opportunities and maybe he should. He has a lot of talent and like everyone else has a bad game or a bad at bat here and there. I am also a supporter of Carl Everett and Jermaine Dye and hope we keep them both too. Exactly, and he couldnt sacrafice himself for the team effectively. And its no secret he is not the most liked player in the clubhouse. Willie wont be here much longer, as shown by him packing up his locker.

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Jul 11, 2005 -> 02:31 PM) It's mid-season so let's look at our strength's a weaknesses & who's available: Omar, Griffey Jr Omar $12.5M/3 yr deal w SFG vs Uribe $9.5M/3 yr deal w CWS. Omar is an avg hitter vs LHers & a great hitter vs RHers. Uribe is a great hitter vs LHers & a poor hitter vs RHers. Both are solid defensively. Even at 38 Omar is on par with Uribe. Griffey Jr is a great hitter vs LHers & a great hitter vs RHers. Rowand is a great hitter vs LHers & an average hitter vs RHers. You can look up the stats yourself. The greatest weakness on the team is the ability to hit & score runs off of RHers. That supercedes are apparent weakness in the bullpen. If we were to get KGJ we don't have to trade Rowand. We can keep him as insurance against KGJ's health & as a super-sub OF. This trade makes Perez expendable. Likewise if we get Omar we don't have to trade Uribe. We can keep him an insurance against Omar's age & as a super-sub IF. This trade makes Ozuna & Harris expendable. The net cost for $2005 is about $7M in additional payroll. Well within reason of a WS budget run. The new Sox lineup: Pods, Iguchi, Omar, Griffey, Thomas, Koney, Dye, AJ, Crede The new Sox bench: Widger, Everett, Gload, Rowand, Uribe That stacks up with anybody in the game including STL & the NYY. EH, count me out on both Omar and Broken body Griffey. We wouldnt even pay that much for Omar in the offseason, I dont see us doing it now, and Jr is a defensive downgrade in the OF. They wont replace A-row, he is a well liked player and GREAT defensive OF'er.

QUOTE(JimH @ Jul 11, 2005 -> 01:12 PM) This board needs to stop going off so halfcocked on all these trade scenarios, there are absolutely no reports whatsoever that I or anyone else here seems to have seen re: Aubrey Huff and the White Sox. Why do you say he is back on the radar screen? Ross Gload as a centerpiece? C'mon. Your credibility just took a whopper hit with that one, this is not the whitesox.com board. Not to mention Chuck Lamaar says both Baez and Huff fit into their 2006 plans. He is notorious for demanding a kings ransom for his players. Ross Gload? Normally I ignore posts like this but this one is way out there ... Whoa whoa whoa Jim, I thought Quick jumped in to use your computer all of a sudden. The reason that I brought up Huff in the first place, was that there was an article on ESPN that suggested TB is looking to bring up Delmon Young soon, and its weel known that there may be no room for Huff in their plans. Gload would not be a centerpiece, but our prospects would be. OF'ers would not be the major draw, so it would have to be several arms. I would still do it though.

QUOTE(VAfan @ Jul 11, 2005 -> 12:49 PM) Okay, if Aubrey Huff is back on the radar screen, should the Sox send Ross Gload to TB as the biggest part of the deal? Huff comes in and backs up Konerko and Crede for the rest of the season and gives us a tryout to see if we want to sign him instead of meeting Konerko's unreasonable demands in the offseason. Huff's not good enough defensively to hold down 3B full-time, but he's a better choice than Ozuna this year. For some reason though, I think they are grooming Dye as the 1B of the future

QUOTE(JimH @ Jul 11, 2005 -> 12:36 PM) He'll hit better than he has so far this year, no doubt. But he's marginal - at best - at 3B. That is not the guy you want at 3B, there's a reason why the D-Rays of all people moved him from third. He'll play there in an emergency for them, that's it. Which is very telling to me. OF and 1B, sure, he'll do fine there. Exactly, he is in no means a replacement 3B. But a replacement 1B? I think so, I for one, would like to see us go a different direction than Konerko. He is a fan fav, but his numbers are hardly that of a good clean up hitter.

QUOTE(JimH @ Jul 11, 2005 -> 12:33 PM) If your team has no concern for defense maybe. He is a serviceable 3B, but in no means a defensive stud. He can play both corners of the IF and the OF. His defense is def not his strong suit. But his hitting is.

Christopher Walken-he is in a class all by himself. I know when he is in a movie its worth watching. Has been in several good cult movies including pool hall junkies, Suicide Kings, Scottland PA (awesome movie), True Romance, etc. Probably one if not my favorite actor of all time. He gets his unique style of delivery by editing out all of the punctuation in the scripts and delivers the lines however they come out.

Seriously though, I wish SOMEONE would make a damn move, the suspense is killing me.

QUOTE(UofIChiSox @ Jul 11, 2005 -> 11:05 AM) I know this is a Sox board and forum, so we'll probably stick with the AL discussion for the most part, but how about the pick of Carpenter over Willis and maybe even Clemens? Guess that's the payoff when you go to the World Series, you can still start your guy. Theres no reason Willis should not be starting.

QUOTE(tonyho7476 @ Jul 11, 2005 -> 11:18 AM) I think I like the Huff idea...but what would we have to give up to get him? Kong doesn't benefit them at all...they'd want prospects... Yes they would, and I would give them what they wanted. If we could package some prospects up, and if it was our top ones, I would expect we could possibly take one more OF'er from them, possibly Gathright?

QUOTE(UofIChiSox @ Jul 11, 2005 -> 11:12 AM) I understand where you're coming from, and I completely agree that five hits was sort of a fluke and won't be repeated very often at all. It was just a little weird the timing of everything. I am not a believer that Huff is the answer though, his numbers this year are no better than Konerko's, other than the fact his salary is cheaper. He's seven months younger than Konerko. I just don't see him as much of an upgrade, just a cost saver. If we learned anything from this offseason, cost saver=team improvement. With the money we are going to save on an equal-better player, we can add another crucial piece to the puzzle. Not to mention i like Huff's LH bat and his even splits against LH and RH pitching.

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Jul 11, 2005 -> 11:08 AM) D-Rays dont sell cheap. I think I heard somewhere a lot of GM's dont even ask because they know what kind of package the devils gm is going to want. I mean look at what the Mets had to give them for Zambrano. Whats your point, that deal really wasnt that one-sided, and to get a future starter who has tons of upside, I would give them what they wanted. They have no room for Huff, and dont have the money to keep him either. He is gone, one way or another.

QUOTE(whitesoxmanager @ Jul 10, 2005 -> 08:32 PM) PK is a great guy and has always been there for the sox...i do believe that he is the kind of guy that will deliver big in the playoffs...if you remember he was huge in the allstar game in milwaukee...should have been MVP. he really seemed to enjoy the pressure of that game. as for gload, I think he is an everyday 1st baseman, so maybe give that guy a ton of time in the 2nd half against righties...! Ummm isnt it true that Konerko can only hit righties?? So why would we only play him against lefties??

QUOTE(UofIChiSox @ Jul 11, 2005 -> 11:01 AM) It's ironic that one day after he gets five hits we're talking about trading him because he doesn't get on base. I demand more five hit performances!! If he got five hits a game I think we'd all be ok with him! Heres why I want to trade him= That was the first 5 hit game of his career, it was a fluke. Secondly, he is hitting under what we would expect a cleanup hitter to hit, he grounds into too many DP's, clogs up the bases, and strikes out too much. His FA contract is going to make him one if not the highest paid player on the team, and I for one, do not think he is worth that much. I am all for trading him right now, I think we can get Huff from TB to play 1st base and if not, Gload is a viable option. If not, Dye can play 1st and Carla can fill in the OF. I just think Kong is over valued, and I do not think we are pursuing him in the offseason. There is a reason they havent re-signed im yet, and his value will not match his price tag.