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I think the big change is his fastball is popping and moving unlike when he was getting shelled. He was really throwing hard and then dropping in the slider. Much better work by Viz.

Then trade the farm for Billy Wagner please!

I tivoed this game. That Crede home run was probably one of the top three moments of the season. As soon as he hit it, you could hear the crowd and people up and down the street yelling. It was awesome!!!

Seriously though, he has to be looking at Wagner. He would solidify this bullpen better than it has been since Thigpen.

We deserve to lose this game tonight, for simply not executing fundamental baseball.

QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Jul 18, 2005 -> 05:04 PM) Give props for what sticking with a guy 2 months longer than he should? What gave KW the first clue.. That in the past weekend series against cleveland that Shingo gave up more runs in 2/3 of an inning that the rest of our pitchers combined in the four game series? This move should have been made at the End of May begining of June as soon as Shingo had some trade Value. His gimick is up, Time to move on.. Throw him to the NL for a 1/2 year and pretty much he is done on MLB. Blah Blah Blah I hate KW Blah Blah Blah

Hahahaha, just grabbed some more premium's sell out my ass.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jul 18, 2005 -> 04:29 PM) NOOOOOOO!!!!!! My computer just got stickier......... Because I spit Cherry Vanilla Dr Pepper all over the screen. Wow thats laugh out loud funny dude. Thanks

When did WJMK change from oldies to a mix station?

Will do

Viz, at this point, is more reliable than Shingo. Sorry fellas, its the truth.

QUOTE(GreatScott82 @ Jul 18, 2005 -> 03:48 PM) How can the Marlins turn down that offer from the Orioles? Burnett will be an Oriole very soon. IMO Burnett is just a little bit better than Contreras, BUT he spends time on the DL every year. And if they want Marte, BMac, and Anderson to go w/ it? why just because they throw in an overpriced thirdbasmen? What would we do w/ him? Crede is having a better year defensively and offensively. Screw it. Lets just see how El-duque pitches in his next two starts and focus primarly on another reliever. By the looks of things Shingo is gone- so lets go after Wagner!! If we get Wagner I will hump my computer when I read the story

QUOTE(THEWOOD @ Jul 18, 2005 -> 03:15 PM) my tix for sunday are in 117 EH, no thanks. I was wondering for other people, I already have mine.

QUOTE(THEWOOD @ Jul 18, 2005 -> 02:42 PM) i also have tickets for sundays game against the red sox i am willing trade...... where??

I must say, he is one player that I will be sad to see go. The gong entrance was one of the best highlighs of last year, and I hope he has success elsewhere.

QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Jul 18, 2005 -> 02:09 PM) If we were going to add a reliever with closer experience, then I could live with Shingo being traded. If it is just to have a spot for Jenks, then I think that could be a move that will haunt us later on in the season. I know many people annointed him the next coming after his first appearance, but imo there were major flaws and he could have some control problems. I guess I just do not want to subtract, unless we are adding. And as some have pointed out, the only reason Shingo being traded makes sense, if it is part of a larger deal to acquire a bullpen replacement. SB Seems to me its subtracting Shingo to add El Duque, is that an improvement to you?

QUOTE(daa84 @ Jul 18, 2005 -> 01:25 PM) im not basing it on him having cancer. im basing it on the many reports and an OTL done on lowell and his cancer. much of the same strong denials of steroids that have made believers of fans when regarding big frank are the same types of things that have been said about lowell. but fine, if you wanna go ahead and think he was on the juice, by all means go ahead. i for one believe OTL and lowell, just as i believe frank............btw by no means is this any type of endorsement to trade for lowell, cuz quite frankly i dont want him Look at lowell's numbers posted above. And big Frank's accusations dont hold water because he was big BEFORE he was even in the MLB. He was a college football player, his strenth was consistent all through his career. While Lowell is experiencing a drop-off right now after consecutive seasons of power output.

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Jul 18, 2005 -> 01:24 PM) Actually he didn't. That would be irresponsible. He has to face these players. Witch-hunting them isn't going to get you anywhere. -- However, he did quote a nameless MLB executive. -- But if your into accusations, hey, you're posting at a record pace today, YOU MUST BE ON THE JUICE. Hahaha, yeah, me and ADKINS!!!!!

QUOTE(WSoxMatt @ Jul 18, 2005 -> 01:59 PM) There is no mention of Ken Griffey Jr going anywhere Junior said he would veto any trade. He is in his hometown, making a bunch of cash, he isnt going anywhere.

SO the ultimate questions is: Is Jenks Better than Shingo, cause thats essentially what we are doing here.

Lets not get into a bidding war for a mediocre pitcher who hasnt started 30 games in his career. The guy is a DL waiting to happen, and isnt that much better than what he have now.

QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Jul 18, 2005 -> 01:16 PM) To give someone a free pass just because they had cancer is ludicrous. I am not in any way saying I support the idea that Lowell was on steroids, but you can't just argue that he had cancer, so boo hoo poor him. That's like saying, well, he killed that guy, but he had cancer so don't pick on him. Anyway, his numbers have been bad, but he was never really THAT good anyway. I don't think Lowell took steroids, but am not defending him just because he had cancer. Though I do feel bad for him, and respect him for overcoming cancer, I don't give him a free pass for life. BTW, Rosenthal just called Lowell "Sammy Sosa's twin" hahahaha

Sammy's twin huh??? Wonder if that means he is half dominican???

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jul 18, 2005 -> 01:10 PM) Shingo is a piece of what has made us a first place team????? Shouldnt that be in green. 8 saves and 3 holds, yeah he did.

QUOTE(daa84 @ Jul 18, 2005 -> 01:08 PM) go ahead and accuse boone irod sosa all you want. i dont care. they didnt have CANCER before making it big in the majors like lowell, that not only threatened his career, but his life. accusing lowell of roids is ridiculous, and it has been a well documented statement that he hasnt touched performance enhancing drugs So it would be documented that he did take drugs? Cause I didnt know that the rest of the league was being so honest. And I also didnt know that cancer made his power numbers increase? Hmm, that should possibly be a study conducted by you for the next 3 years. So go ahead and do that, and come back when you have a chance. Lowells numbers: 2000 .270 .818 22 91 2001 .283 .788 18 100 2002 .276 .817 24 92 2003 .276 .880 32 105 2004 .293 .870 27 85 2005 .227 .630 4 36 Glaring numbers. He was EXTREMELY consistent until this year.