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QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Sep 29, 2014 -> 09:49 AM) If the football coaching thing doesn't work out, maybe Hoke could have a career as a Chris Christie impersonator. #hokeamania was trending a little over a year ago and look at how much the tide has turned. I personally hope he stays at Michigan forever

OMG thats awesome.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Sep 25, 2014 -> 03:08 PM) That's true, but even with "clean" recruiting, you can take as many top guys as you want and let them sort themselves out. The NFL salary cap doesn't allow for that, not to mention the draft prevents it as well. Eh, its still restrictive to 85 and all of those guys have to do things like pass class for example, so its not a free for all.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Sep 25, 2014 -> 02:53 PM) I think that's as big a reason why as any. Plus you have deeper rosters at the NCAA level and the talent dropoff between your starter and your 2nd string isn't nearly as noticeable. It's true that you really have to be successful no matter what, but you are given a little bit more rope in college. Unless it gets totally disfunctional, coaches are usually given 5 years. In the NFL, it's typically 3 years. Definitely also depends on the program. Endless years of 9-3 wouldnt fly at some while others would be ecstatic.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Sep 25, 2014 -> 02:47 PM) There is a salary cap for them to pay them legally with though. State U has no salary cap, it can throw bags of money (secretly of course) at every one of its recruits if it wants. But there is risk involved there, and it can be crippling...

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QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Sep 25, 2014 -> 02:35 PM) And a much, much thinner margin for error. Thats definitely true, probably why you see so many college coaches crap out early in the NFL without success and then go back.

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Wait, what?

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Sep 25, 2014 -> 01:44 PM) If a player is begging to join a roster they are not very good. At free agency signing day, the worthy free agents are not waiting outside a team's headquarters to sign with their dream team. While not the same recruiting, if your front office is not doing their job there is little you can do about that. The NFL also does not have boosters to help make these players see how great their life can be. They just pay them legally, which is easier. Front office scouting is very similar to scouting recruits except with a MUCH smaller pool of talent and much smaller pool of competition.

Simmons and Blackwell on campus this weekend

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Sep 25, 2014 -> 01:00 PM) Even in the 20's and 30's, it's not the 90's. The NFL has no built in floor like that. The NFL has people begging to join your roster because space is so limited. Scouting and drafting is extremely important but there is almost zero "selling" of your team to players.

BTW, here is a good resource in seeing the difference between programs on salaries, spending etc. You can see some correlation https://b2.caspio.com/dp.asp?appSession=204..._and_bonuses_fo

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Sep 25, 2014 -> 12:27 PM) You know exactly what I'm saying, I don't mean sit back and do absolutely nothing. The name Ohio State does a lot to recruit by itself. 5 stars want to go to Ohio State, and there are enough 4 and 5 stars that want to go there so it makes it way easier to recruit. It doesn't mean they aren't working at it, but it's way easier to recruit at some schools compared to others. You have guys who dream of going to OSU and getting an offer there. The leverage game is much different than recruiting at say, Illinois. There are for sure coaches who work just as hard, if not harder, than Ohio St at recruiting, but can't get the same results because it isn't the destination Ohio St is. THAT'S the advantage I'm talking about. No matter what, you still have more control over your roster. It's the Calipari example. He could stay at Kentucky and have the 5 stars come to him and almost always have more talent than anyone, or he can go to the NBA and be constrained by whatever finds its way onto the roster. He doesn't get the first 5 picks in each NBA draft to give him an advantage. The only thing the "name" gets you is a better floor. With a different staff and less effort OSU would recruit in the 20's and 30's as far as team rankings. Football is a lot different than bball recruiting.

QUOTE (Jake @ Sep 24, 2014 -> 06:47 PM) IIRC wireless Genie invokes a one-time $99 installation fee. Funny, since it takes infinitely less installation than running coax My guy said it didnt work very well and I already had holes from coax from Comcast so he ran that. I wonder how far its come in the last year.

QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 25, 2014 -> 11:30 AM) And yet he turned around South Carolina behind a pretty sick defense. Ellis Johnson is a pretty sick defensive coach.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Sep 25, 2014 -> 11:16 AM) Spurrier was notorious for talking about how much more work the NFL was. Of course he had it really good in Florida and has a general reputation for getting in plenty of rounds of golf, etc. In college he can largely recruit based upon his reputation, etc. In the NFL, he said the workload was significantly more. Recruiting at Florida was done by working with handlers in his own backyard. His NFL career was done in by not knowing a thing about defense and having Patrick Ramsey, Danny Wuerffel and Shane Matthews as his QB's.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Sep 25, 2014 -> 11:02 AM) My point is that you have more control over the talent. In the NFL, you can't just get better guys than the other teams based on a sales pitch/history of the program etc. You think OSU would be as good as they are if they had to draft prospects and sign free agents and work under a cap? Meyer loves to sit back and have the 5 stars come to him, in the NFL he'd be playing with the same hand as everyone else. I think guys would play for Harbaugh, and Michigan has enough history that they could get right back into good recruiting classes, IMO. If you think that is how recruiting works you are off base. The way you get good classes is a combination of working your tail off and support from staff and institution. Check out the budget for recruiting, facilities and staff at schools in the conference and you will see heavy correlation towards who gets the best classes. Teams with coaches are arent good at organizing recruiting fall back into the pack very easily. Teams that just "sit back" become irrelevant very quickly. In the NFL you have an even larger budget to scout and keep players for longer periods of time. You are also dealing with professionals instead of families/handlers/rules bulls***.

QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 25, 2014 -> 10:38 AM) Spurrier certainly claimed it was. I dont recall that. I recall him assembling a horrendous staff with no NFL experience under a terrible owner and then bolting.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Sep 25, 2014 -> 10:38 AM) Disagree based on the program he'd be taking over and the (currently) weak conference it's in. I think their last two coaches have proven that its fairly difficult. Recruiting is increasingly competitive and it makes it very tough to maintain top tier status in football. It's a year long job with ridiculous rules and procedures to follow. It's not exactly easy.

QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 24, 2014 -> 05:40 PM) I realize recruiting is a full time job, but I don't think I've heard a college coach whose jumped to the pros say that the NFL gig was less work than college. Have you heard it's much more work?

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Sep 24, 2014 -> 05:09 PM) And you control your roster, getting more talent than other teams, making it easier to win. In the NFL you basically control none of that. You can't just recruit better players. Having it be more competitive to build a decent roster and sustain success isn't exactly a positive trait of the college game.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 24, 2014 -> 02:59 PM) Yeah, but he might love the idea of being the King of Ann Arbor. Personally, if I were him, I would stay in the NFL instead of BSing 17 year olds in an attempt to have them play for you. But maybe he wouldn't mind that. Michigan probably gives him a long term committment at huge dollars. Maybe he knows his schtick doesn't play long in the NFL, but works out well with guys who are younger and will be gone within 4 or 5 years. Again, I agree, if he leaves SF, another NFL team probably offers him a sweet gig. But it wouldn't shock me if he ultimately wound up in Ann Arbor. He is kind of a unique guy. I actually played cards with him a long time ago when he was on the Bears. Maybe, but its totally unprecedented. Not to mention recruiting and compliance is the WORST. Michigan also has an ol boys club that Harbaugh doesnt get along with at all. Recruiting today is a full time job and a head coach babysits his staff and players much more than in the NFL.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Sep 24, 2014 -> 03:22 PM) It didn't seem to be addressed in here, but Sale was in the dugout after the 6th and using hand binoculars towards the Tigers dugout. Then when Kinsler had the RBI double to take the lead, he did the binoculars at second base. I mentioned the guy with binoculars in the OF. Word has it he was signaling breaking/fast ball pitches.

QUOTE (Charlie Haeger's Knuckles @ Sep 24, 2014 -> 02:47 PM) This is exactly what was going on. Watch the video on mlb.com. You can clearly read Sale yelling "Gonna look out there, huh?" Pointing to the same place he was pointing to the previous inning. Then, Cooper and Scherzer got into it walking off the field. There is a guy with binoculars signaling towards home plate, pretty obvious what seems to be happening.