RockRaines

Ugh, everytime I read a new story it makes me feel dirtier and dirtier. I hate this scandal.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 03:56 PM) Last week you would have told us he was too old and senile to know what's going on with his football program. Now you'd have us believe he knows every detail of what goes on on the entire campus. IN 1998 and 2002 I would have thought he did, yes.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 03:39 PM) Dude, all bets are off at this school and the procedure in which information is shared. Clearly there are f*** ups all over this thing, so no, I don't think it's unreasonable to think that something Sandusky was caught doing (and which was covered up by campus police) might have slipped past a 74-75 year old Paterno, who was probably more concerned about not pissing his pants during a game than what trouble one of his guys was getting into (in 1998). And if i recall correctly, the grand jury said nothing about Paterno knowing about it or being involved in it. So at this point the defense is "he's too old and senile to understand what child molestation is"?

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 03:35 PM) And we all know it is 80-something year old Joe Paterno who is in charge of enforcing bans on the PSU campus. Again, this is on the University, the Administration, the campus police, the local and state authorities...there are so many parties to blame with regard to all of these incidents before you get to Joe Paterno. Is he or is he not the head of the football program? Wouldnt he be the person to ban someone from his practices?? Wouldnt he be the correct person to call the police or other authorities when he saw Sandusky illegally taking a child to his practice? How far can you go with this ignorance defense?

QUOTE (Capn12 @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 03:29 PM) Or, as my favorite T shirt to wear, says... Its less than 2 bucks for coffee. It was under 5 for a Grande coffee and an oatmeal this morning.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 03:32 PM) Who here has said he shouldn't be fired? I personally think he should resign. I assume he thinks that is admitting guilt which is going to force the BOD's hand.

Steve, I believe that was also after he was banned from taking children with him on PSU campus.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 03:29 PM) There is zero comparison between what happened at Penn State and any of the other "scandals" out there. This is on a whole other level I was merely pointing out people's propensity to click on links regarding "scandals"in college football. I wasnt comparing the two as far as severity.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 03:24 PM) Well first, you keep saying he first learned about this guy and his "transgressions" in 1998. You're speculating here. Just because campus police investigated him and told him to stop (equally terrible job btw) doesn't mean Paterno found out about it. He might have, but that wasn't part of the grand jury finding. In fact, given the fact that higher ups tried to cover the bigger scandal, there's actually good reason to believe that Paterno was never told. So you're telling me I am just speculating that the direct supervisor of an employee would be informed of the details of an official investigation regarding said employee's conduct with children ON CAMPUS and in the football building? Come on man. Joe didnt know why Sandusky was forced into retirement? He never asked a question, he wasnt present at any meetings? Maybe he is the dumbest most ignorant guy of all time then. The next two paragraphs in your post make me think you are totally fine with forgiving people who make a mistake (not commit a crime) and are regretful for it, especially if they have done so much good over their lives and career. I, as a Tressel fan, fully support your viewpoint there.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 03:23 PM) None of that changes my statement that the right thing for him to do right now is resign. If he is unable to decide to do that, or unwilling to, then the university needs to do it for him, and fire him in disgrace. Of all the people involved in the exchange of information and dealings with Sandusky, only Paterno and McQueary still have their jobs. The President, AD and Dept Chair are all gone.

Oregon's PR dept is on top of the PSU case releasing their Willie Lyles docs admin the scandal. Now only if the NCAA could rule on OSu sometime this week or next. http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/24156338/33197698

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 03:15 PM) Exactly. He's just the face, as he has been for probably 15-20 years now. Maybe the majority of the blame should be directed at the people actually making decisions about things other than simply football games. The blame falls on the President of the University, Curley the AD, Schwartz and Paterno. All the people who were made aware of the issues stemming back to 1998. Heres a trick question: Of the above, which one of them still has a job at PSU?

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 03:13 PM) Rock, at that point, in 2002, what was Paterno's association with Sandusky? Dont really know, all we know is that Sandusky was allowed to take young boys to practice and PSU would pay to fly him and the kids to events and bowl games. Outside of that Paterno was just the most powerful man at an institution where rape took place by a professor emeritus, and he happened to be the guy an eye witness came to for resolution.

QUOTE (Capn12 @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 01:43 PM) You might be surprised. We use and abuse our Keurig, more than most people should. I wouldn't do coffee/tea any other way now. I have a tassimo and I just dont like the flavor of it for whatever reason, Im just looking for an alternative to walking across the street to starbucks.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 03:08 PM) No, what I am saying is that he probably knew by then and was horrified to come to the conclusion he did. Which is why he completely disassociated (and my guess is probably was absolutely sickened) himself with Sandusky and just wanted to not even have to think about what might have gone on over the course of the last 30 years. He turned it over to someone else to deal with and unfortunately it was not ever appropriately handled. Not by the administration, nor the legal authorities. Your whole statement is because of what happened in 1998. So again when he learned of it from a witness in 2002 you are telling me he did the right thing?

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 03:07 PM) This is such crap. He made some mistakes. He's not the monster at the center of this. No, he's not. But do you absolve him of any wrong doing? Remember this is a guy who learned about Sandusky's transgressions first in 1998 then again in 2002. His most vocal and up to this point worst victim met him in 2006, 8 years after Paterno first learned of his inappropriate contact with young boys.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 03:04 PM) Ok, now substitute Coach Sandusky with someone you have known for 30 years...that you never suspected this of...and that you know has had ample opportunity to be around young, naked men for that entire time. My guess is Paterno was extremely horrified and probably had a lot more situations than the one reported to him flash through his mind. Some things are really almost too difficult to comprehend. But it was the SECOND time they heard about this. Fool me once, shame on you....

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 03:01 PM) I just can't help imagining the conversation. "Coach Paterno, I don't know how to tell you this, but I walked into the locker room shower last night and saw Coach Sandusky ass raping a 10 year old boy." How do you not act? Telling your boss just is not enough. It's that simple. There's infinite blame to go around and Paterno is right near the top. And this was 4 years after he first learned of Sandusky's behavior with children and he was forced to resign. Their next action was ban him from visiting campus with children. Again another 5 years passed with more victims including probably the worst case.

If JoePa was told about major NCAA violations and only told the AD who then did nothing to report the violations and then they were reported by an outside source to the NCAA eventually, would people be calling for JoePa's head? I think they would, and that is a far less serious issue then what actually happened.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 02:49 PM) See, that's the thing. We can imagine scenarios that make the police look less-bad pretty easily. That's not true for McQueary, Paterno or PSU admin. I think its quite the opposite for the PSU folk, I think as more details come out they are going to look much much worse.

Dan Bernstein, channeling this thread http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/11/09/ber...nd-jury-report/

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 02:26 PM) This is still the part that blows my mind. Stop playing with your random kids on our campus, do it elsewhere! WTF? Is there really a more obvious piece of evidence that the administration knew what was going on?

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 02:26 PM) I disagree. I think Paterno is probably legitimately saddened by all this, and not just looking to cover his own ass. I dont think anyone would be happy when they learned that the "small" issues you swept under the rug for years actually turned out to be seriously heinous crimes against children.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 02:19 PM) If Paterno cut a life-long friend out of his life, that's a pretty clear indication that he didn't think the allegations were baseless. 1. Forced into retirement (1998) 2. Banned from bringing children on Campus (2002) 3. Disassociated from Charity (2008) Three strikes right?

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 02:21 PM) And that is a university issue, not a Joe Paterno issue. Who was his direct supervisor and by far the most powerful man in the institution. But yeah, the president and AD should have done more. Pretty consistent theme here. The question is, how much more is going to shake out? With several FOIA requests and more investigation and possible trial we are going to learn a TON more about this situation as always.