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You did not answer 2a as you did not state what was debrided. The bursa was debrided hence it was a bursectomy. In this case the bursa was the tissue that was debrided. The bursa is the only tissue other than the rotator cuff and the labrum In the subacromial space or suprahumeral space depending on which definition you want to use.

Obviously you didn't read the article as this was not the context in which it was used. Recurrence in this case is the bursa reforming and it was removed. Some words have more than one meaning.

Sorry. I will stop derailing the thread now.

I have no idea what this means. Not every procedure is done for every condition. Let's go over the facts 1. The reports are he had a debridement. 2. Reports are the rotator cuff and labrum were normal 2a. If those were normal what was debrided? The only thing left for a bursitis patient is the bursa. This is also a common procedure done for what Rodon had going on. Edit: Sorry I didn't see the first part. Yes it does. It clearly states that in only 1 of 60 was there a reoccurrence of the bursa and it was abnormal and needed to be removed.

That's because I'm not wrong. The research clearly shows that a bursa regrowing is an abnormal situation not a common or desired one. I hate to tell you this but physicians and hospitals do not always spend the time to tell you the exact truth to everything. They modify it so it is more easily understandable for everyone. The more accurate statement for what you posted probably would have been "something may grow back there and it may be ok but not really the same and might be functional." Do you think they want to put that on their website? Believe what you want but I'll take the research as opposed to a non-referenced website.

Because the debridement is the removal of tissue. The bursectomy is the removal of part or all of the bursa. So in this case the debridement was the bursa. In the case of when you do this surgery and the rotator cuff and the labrum are fine the only thing left to debride is the bursa. Would you feel better if I said that IN THIS CASE the debridement and bursectomy is the same thing but not in all cases?

yes. because you won't find much. Read the research report I posted about how the bursa reoccurrence is abnormal and is removed.

No mercy hospital page for patients does not count. Again they speak to the patients in generalities. Here is an article on Bursa surgery. Granted it's in the ankle but it's what I could find right now. Look at the top of page 1207 where it says that there was one case in 60 where a abnormal bursa grew back and it is listed as a complication. If they grow back it's more of a scar tissue type not a true bursa and it won't function normally. The tissue can include the tissues you listed but the report on Rodon's surgery was that the rotator cuff (muscles, tendons) and the labrum (cartilage) was normal. So the bursa is the only option left when dealing with a chronic bursitis. bursa.pdf

Sourcing something from a a page that explains it for patients is not a reliable source. Find research that explains it and I'll buy it but I've never seen it.

No debridement is the removal of tissue. In this case it was the bursa. There is no other tissue around it that could have been removed. Any substantial removal of a bursa will not grow back. Maybe just a little part or a tiny one, but I still don't buy that. There is no referenced article from will show that. Yes, he does not have a a full bursa in that shoulder.

Correct. So in this case the debridement was the bursa so it was a bursectomy.

The bursa is the only possible tissue that would be removed in a case of chronic bursitis when the rotator cuff and labrum are not involved. What tissue do you supposed was removed? I've rehabbed 100s of these and this is what is done.

Yes it would. They normally don't get into those specifics when reporting to the general public. Most people don't know the difference. For example when Robert injured his hip flexor did they specify that it was his iliacus, the psoas major or the rectus femoris? No they speak in generalities.

Bursa does not grow back. It is a Balloon like pocket of fluid that cushions the tendon from rubbing on the bone.

Good definition of a bursa removal. Now go look up the definition of debridement. It means removal of tissue. Hence in this case the bursectomy and the debridement are the same thing. The bursa is what was debrided.

True. But not having whatever tissue was removed there makes it more difficult to maintain the shoulder stability thus having a healthy shoulder. Giving him a long term deal or a substantial monetary deal is a risky investment.

No they aren't. He had a significant case of bursitis. He had a debridement. The rotator cuff and labrum were normal hence nothing was done to them. So you tell me what else besides the bursa was removed.

The debridement was the bursa. That's what they took out. He did have full recovery. However any debridement is going to make the shoulder more unstable. He obviously rehabbed well but it's going to make it more difficult to keep the shoulder stable in the long term. Not that he can't but it is cause for concern with his history and the awful motion.

I would be more worried about the shoulder holding up from the removal of the bursa than the UCL reconstruction. Especially since he still uses that awful stand up follow through.

Very telling.

Yes it is. No one knows what goes on behind the scenes unless they don't like it. Then it's the person they don't like at fault.

I am. AT as well.

Good ideas. Although I would guess they avoid the bike for awhile as it will put the hip flexor in too much of a shortened position. I like the pool though.

While this is all true and I agree with all of it, whenever I want to respond to the people here I try to remember where I'm posting. This is a message board and is not filled with average fans, in general. To post as often as some of them do, they are the over the top fans and I need to take that into account. I can't tell you how many times I've had this discussion on this site over the past almost 2 decades and invariably the response is that I don't care about winning.

They pitched together on the same team, although Giolito is a couple years older, and Katz was their pitching coach