ptatc

Cliff Floyd was 6'4" 225 coming out of high school. He was the biggest baseball player I saw in high school.

I have no idea you they'll pick but from watching videos of all of the possible pitchers, I like Bitsko too. Abel is another one I like. Detmers is probably the pick and he looks decent as well. Just a little worry in his delivery.

Got it, thanks.

Is Abel the one rumored to not want to sign?

Dont expend the playoffs it's my favorite part of the season! Just kidding had to do it.

I'm not disagreeing with the premise just that this is what is happening and why the owners dont take away profit from the team. They put the money back in to improve the fan experience and increase the value of the asset. This is why they operate on a thin profit margin. Your point is exactly what Boras is saying. The owners operate on a thin margin because they put all of the money back,into the team by their own design. He doesnt think the players should help the owners by allowing them a break on the money they sink into the team. My point all along is that the owners are strapped for cash even by their own design. I can see why they want to protect their season pay out because if there are no playoffs the owners will increase the debt.

Even more so now.

Other things to improve the club,stadium and fan experience. Thus once those profits are put back into the organization, there are no profits.i think we are saying the same thing it's just i read no profits because the owners put it all back into the organization and you read profits because they have money to make these improvements. I that case I agree that if they didnt renovate the parks or do things around the park to improve the fan experience, they would have a profit for the shareholders to experience. However as it stands Boras acknowledges that the owners are in a tight financial situation because they put all of their profits back into the organization.

All of these are assumptions on your part. The sports franchise world may or may not work like the real world as many posters have said. They may be lending knowing there will be a payoff when its sold. They may know that the owner will put everything back into the club and loans so there is money to pay but no net profit. It sounds to me like he is acknowledging they run the razor thin margin but it is by their own actions so the players shouldn't give them a break. Everything they do is to increase the value of the asset and the players dont share in that asset.

It's not who it is but how to determine it that is the question. In your decision process is the athlete valued more than the current results, is the HS player more than the collegiate player? The philosophy of where to put more value on one all of time as opposed to setting a value for each independent player is the dilemma.

Yep. Baseball is king.

"Owners are asking for more salary cuts to bail them out of the investment decisions they have made," Boras said. "If this was just about baseball, playing games would give the owners enough money to pay the players their full prorated salaries and run the baseball organization. The owners' current problem is a result of the money they borrowed when they purchased their franchises, renovated their stadiums or developed land around their ballparks." I guess the owners would be in a good position if they didn't need to borrow money to buy the team, or renovate the stadiums or anything else. The profit you refer to is before they pay any debt. The primary point remains that after all operating costs including paying the loans there isn't much overall profit. They do see the profit when they sell but not much in the short term.

He also said that they know most teams run on those margins after paying all of the expenses including loans and such. They do make their money when they sell but is very little profit in the short term.

The valuation of the franchise is very different than the profit from revenue. This is what Boras said as to why the players shouldn't give in to the owners. The owners profit margin is thin but they gain asset valuation which is not shared with the players. The owners don't make money util they sell and don't share this with the players. So they players need to get their money from the overall revenue each year including this year so they shouldn't cut the owners a break this year.

That's what Boras said.He and the players know the profit margin is very thin from year to year.

No doubt.

They wouldn't be doing their jobs if they haven't at least researched it. My personal intrigue is with the effect on pitchers with taking so much time off. Will it save their arms or hurt them?

It is a bad "business" as they make little to no profit. They will make money in the long term as the value of the franchise appreciates (although if both sides keep this up it may no longer be the case). They need to have other sources of income because they don't get it from the team. Most don't own a team for short term profit though. there is the prestige of owning the team.

I think too many get caught up in philosophy and not BPA. But when the draft is such a crapshoot people try narrow it down somehow.

Good point. That was a criticism last year and it's not like Vaughn has been able to show too much with his short MILB play last year.

He forgot to add the playoff pool money that would make the final proposal worth more if there are playoffs. It's the owners trying to mitigate their loses if there is no playoffs.

It really doesn't make sense as the one writer said. The draftees are only guaranteed 100,000 this year. The rest is deferred over the next 2 years. If anything, this would be the year to spend big. Unless this owner expects there to be a lockout/strike next year, then it makes perfect sense.

I agree this is just wrong on so many levels.

True. I wasn't commenting on how he turned out, just that it was the philosophy at the time to draft athletes not polished baseball players as he split time between baseball and football and was very raw but talented. His posterior tibialis tear was much more of a devastating injury than Burger's achilles. Your foot can't function normally, especially for a speed guy, with even a tendinopathy of the posterior tib.

I'm starting to think they are doing it on purpose now.