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QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Apr 10, 2014 -> 10:06 PM) If his arm doesn't loosen up and his velocity stays where it's at this might be what he is. Obviously he wouldn't be living up to his contract but it's also not the worst thing in the world as he's still a valuable pitcher. He was throwing harder earlier. Probably a little dead arm period (I hope).

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Apr 10, 2014 -> 05:25 PM) His throwing shoulder isn't as important though as his lead shoulder when swinging. I think this is one of the worst injuries a power hitter can have. A wrist injury would be worse. At the shoulder, a 3rd degree separation would have been worse. They can fix this one and have a good success rate with it. He will be fine by spring training. He could probably be ready by September but by that time why push it much, unless they want to get him some at bats.

QUOTE (Nokona @ Apr 10, 2014 -> 04:03 PM) Could it affect his swing? Particularly the inner half, something he already struggles with... Yes, it could. That's the worry with this one. However, it should be fine. The strength and stability at the end ranges of motion wil be the key. This is where the "bringing the hands in" could be effected.

QUOTE (Jake @ Apr 10, 2014 -> 02:57 PM) What sucks the most here is that we don't even know if he's any good. Next year we'll be wanting to put out a playoff-ready team but we'll have to start a 23 year old, iffy-fielding RF that swings at everything and has less than 500 ABs of track record. This was the perfect year to let him fail, but it will be a lot more difficult from here on out. FWIW, labrum repairs have come a really long way since 2004. Beyond that, the kind of labral tear you get from impact like this is a lot more common and straightforward to repair. He should be 100%. Correct. The anchors they use for them now are much more effective, especially if th biceps is invloved.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Apr 10, 2014 -> 02:34 PM) Joy. There is a difference between a "fray" and a 'tear" anatomically. With a fray the tissue has degenerated over time and there may not be enough viable tissue to use for a repair. At least in this case there should be a good repair.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Apr 10, 2014 -> 02:27 PM) Since it's a torn labrum, does it matter that it's the left shoulder rather than the right shoulder? It would be more challenging in the right as it would be the throwing shoulder. He should recover fine.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Apr 10, 2014 -> 02:24 PM) Looked up labrum repair. http://blog.c-o-r.com/2012/03/28/what-to-e...y-slap-bankart/ It says the recovery time is typically 3 months, which means with a rehab stint and advanced treatment he could be back by late August at worst. If the Sox are holding him out for the season, that is a good thing to allow him additional time to heal and re-build strength before taking on baseball activities. Sure it sucks that it will stunt him a little, but having him work his way back slowly may payoff off well in the long term. That's at the low end and not usually for someone in professional sports. With Gracia it's his front shoulder for the swing and the rotation strength really needs to be there. The actual time will be closer to 6 months before he is completely back to normal. It could be closer to the 3 months but I doubt it.

QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 10, 2014 -> 01:56 PM) What hitters have successfully recovered from this injury? I saw Matt Kemp had labrum surgery a few years ago. I believe Quentin did. He just kept hurting everything else.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Apr 10, 2014 -> 09:44 AM) It's most likely just a sprain of the AC joint, a capsulitis (jam) of the glenohumeral joint or a subacromial bursitis. If this is the case it's no more than a week or two on the conservative side. He didn't move it so it's impossible to know if there was an injury more serious such as a SLAP lesion or bicep tendon injury. Those are unlikely but possible when you force the humerus straight up into the acromion. Looks like it was one of the unlikely ones. At least it's not a 3rd degree sepration which are tough to fix. These aren't as bad unless the biceps tendon became heavily damaged as well. He will be good to go for next spring training.

QUOTE (flavum @ Apr 10, 2014 -> 09:47 AM) Jordan Danks not in the Charlotte lineup. We know where this is all going. Hopefully, either a precaution or just the 15 day DL for a sprain.

QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Apr 10, 2014 -> 08:19 AM) This is getting ridiculous. IMHO. Too many pitchers trying to throw too hard. This is the downside of the ever increasing use of the bullpen. The pitchers have it their mind that a 6 inning effort is a quality start. So they throw harder more often because they don't need to conserve the effort for later innings.

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Apr 10, 2014 -> 09:29 AM) Thanks as always for your insight, so it sounds like a separation would be out with X-Rays, what else major would be ruled out by a negative x-ray and what is still on the table? It's most likely just a sprain of the AC joint, a capsulitis (jam) of the glenohumeral joint or a subacromial bursitis. If this is the case it's no more than a week or two on the conservative side. He didn't move it so it's impossible to know if there was an injury more serious such as a SLAP lesion or bicep tendon injury. Those are unlikely but possible when you force the humerus straight up into the acromion.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Apr 9, 2014 -> 07:27 PM) But X rays were negative Looked alot like an AC injury from the way he hit and the way he held it. Herm did all the right tests it was difficult the results. Hopefully its' just a mild one. If the X-rays didn't show a separation it shouldn't be too bad.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Apr 9, 2014 -> 12:29 PM) Those were some bombs, but I'd say Avi displayed even more power. Great to see - great time to be a White Sox fan. All hail Hahn. Let's just hope Garcia doesn't get homer happy and starts swinging for the fences all the time.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 9, 2014 -> 12:52 PM) But still, using your conspiracy theory and his uber talent, shouldn't he be at least a little improved? If anything, he's going the other way. I think you will ultimately find out Santiago isn't nearly as tremendous as you think. He's going to be another guy with really good stuff who couldn't put it together. There were many before him and there will be many after. I'm not sure putting him in the bullpen really effected that. Possible but I don't think so.

QUOTE (beautox @ Apr 9, 2014 -> 11:03 AM) I just want to add that if you take out the first two games of the year Semien's line is .333/.400/.519 3BB/6SO 1 HR 1SB with an unsustainable .400BABIP, I'm sure we'll still love what he is capable of when he comes back down to his career norms of .305-315ish I've been looking at BABIP for a number of different hitters. Is it possible that all hitter have a high BABIP during their hot streaks and a low BABIP during thier slumps? The average for the year is in a middle range. So every time a person is hot it's unsustainable. Not coincidentally it isn't sustained but they go through periods unsustainably (?) high BABIP

QUOTE (flavum @ Apr 7, 2014 -> 04:51 PM) I don't believe in divisions, so there's that. Since they have them, I think it's the best way. However, I agree with you. Get rid of the divisions and just take the top 6 from each league and do playoffs with that seeding to get an AL and NL champ. Then do the WS.

QUOTE (Jake @ Apr 7, 2014 -> 05:28 PM) This pretty much describes the flaw in my own delivery if I'm following you correctly. I have the SLAP repair, biceps tenodesis, and infraspinatus repair as evidence for your argument Could be. Your injuries are from the posterior and superior aspects of the glenohumeral joint so it would follow this same train of thought.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 7, 2014 -> 12:25 PM) Every time I read something like this it reminds me of the discussion of how strong Mark Prior's mechanics were since he led so much with his legs that his arm didn't face a lot of stress. That part is true. That was strong part of his mechanics. The part that made him somewhat susceptible to injury was the over extension at the end of the follow through. Iwas never a fan of the "toweldrill" becuase it taught pitchers to snap and over extend at the end of the motion and made the follow through less effective. This was from the Tom House theory of pitching. I've had discussions with him and Larry Rothschild about it and they were good discussions but I never agreed with it.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 7, 2014 -> 10:17 AM) Deadspin is a bottom feeder infested rathole. It is a biased bottom feeder infested rathole.

QUOTE (flavum @ Apr 7, 2014 -> 04:42 PM) With a 15-15 league split, it's a necessary evil. I'd like it better if it were 12 games instead of 20. I hate the heavily unbalanced schedule more than interleague though. 19 games against 4 teams is ridiculous. I like the unbalanced schedule. It really is more accurate representation of who is the best team in the division.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Apr 7, 2014 -> 04:06 PM) Eh, Hanson's issues are with his shoulder. Sliders usually lead to elbow issues. Hanson has a pretty bad timing problem in his delivery, which is why he's had shoulder issues. http://www.chrisoleary.com/projects/Pitchi...ommyHanson.html Personally, I don't mind the late ER as much. Sale has some of this. It does create some stress. What I don't like is the lack of trunk flexion and hip flexion during the follow through. He stands up too straight after the pitch and wraps his arm around after the pitch. This makes the posterior shoulder absorb the forces that cannot be dissipated through a longer eccentric contraction. thus he gets to the fully cocked position late and doesn't dissipate the forces later. This was always my comment on Peavy. It drives me crazy when pitchers have the poor follow through.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Apr 6, 2014 -> 10:14 PM) PTATC ... from your knowledge, how long before Sale has a serious arm injury? Royals announcer Jeff Montgomery said his pitching motion is a total recipe for disaster. His mechanics are weird but pitchers in the past have lived with them. He gets his arm in a pretty good position with that quick flip into external rotation. I still think that many injuries come from the over effort on too many pitches. Cooper does a good job of keeping the players throwing within their limits. Odds are that he will have some type of shoulder problem (but what pitcher doesn't) with his weird mechanics. However, he seems to manage it so far. I wouldn't be able to go out a limb and predict a time but his chances are greater than others.

QUOTE (bmags @ Apr 6, 2014 -> 05:42 PM) That was great. But...so does his wrist go above his arm when his foot plants? No, it does it just after. He does this real quick external rotation right after his foot plants so it isn't too late.

QUOTE (whtsoxfan @ Apr 5, 2014 -> 10:30 AM) Sox are going to HIT this year. The pitching? Um, not so good... Not a formula for a winning team