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QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 10:01 AM) Government workers are generally paid less than their private-sector colleagues. Duke doesn't know what he's talking about. I wouldn't go that far. Gernally, yes. However, there are some (politicians) that I may disagree with.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 09:56 AM) they don't, which makes it hard to apply for them! society doesn't, but it doesn't do a lot to help educate them, either. This could be part of the program . One day a wek as work starts there is an information session on these types of things. Even in the current system. Maybe they should make it mandatory to go to an information session on this type of thing.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 09:57 AM) See, that's the opposite of a safety net program. Can't work that day? Sorry, you don't eat. No, I categorically reject that. I disagree. That is the what it is for most labor employment. If only miss one or two days for legitimate reasons (sickness, medical) it will not effect your ability to eat that day. Let's not get melodramatic.

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 09:55 AM) So government workers getting paid the ludicrous amounts that they do have the added benefit of having no real skill. Great, I'm loving this more and more. I'm starting to feel self-conscious about myself the more you say that first part. but since I really don't fall into the second category, I guess I feel better. Not all of us who work for the government get paid alot and they are trying to take our pensions (the only benefit to the job) away.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 09:51 AM) Yep, I did that too - a work study program. I washed dishes for 2 semesters (and then moved onto a job at the library). I didn't get a penny out of it in my pocket. It went straight to my tuition. That is really similar to mine. I started in the cafeteria, then to the library then because of my major, I moved to student athletic trainer for the sports teams.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 09:44 AM) that original comment was more about the chain, e.g. the person assigned to watch your kid doesn't show up, what do you do? but there's plenty of legitimate reasons someone might not show up e.g. sickness, got some work that day, etc. Just like most other employment, if it's a legitimate reason, you don't get paid and there are other people working there that need to take up the slack.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 09:43 AM) hmm... i didn't realize that stafford loans could cover the ENTIRE cost of schooling. wonder why i didn't do that then... oh wait, because they don't. If you are at the poverty level and are on public aid, you will find the rest of the money for college. The university can get the money for you partially by finding a job for you at the university.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 09:35 AM) Affluent whites who grew up in college-educated homes and had good schools that had experience helping students navigate the maze of financial aid have advantages over people who didn't grow up in those circumstances. Actually, if your parents aren't college educated it a heck of a lot easier to get loans/grants. There are specific grants available for "first time" college students from the family. Same with first time Master's level and even doc students.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 09:36 AM) This assumes that people on government aid don't know responsibility and need to be taught it via menial labor programs. If they don't show up for work as you stated then it's obvious they do.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 09:21 AM) ugh, you're acting like unemployed or underemployed people are children who need hand holding. they need to "learn responsibility". for every person who takes advantage of the system there are countless others working their asses off with the odds stacked massively against them. 1/3 of Illinois doesn't become poor because they're lazy. It's because the system is simply broken. I never said they were lazy. you keep referring to that defense everytime someone tries to suggest something. You need a new defense. I was just responded to SS comments about how do you handle it if people do not show up. Having been on welfare/public aid albeit for a only a few years, I know the situation isn't the same for everyone. however, I also know that most people would rather be doing something constructive to earn money and this would be a good way to do it.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 09:18 AM) This is devastating. Wow. Marinelli is so loyal the Lovie that he would quit a coordinator position to take a linebacker position coach? He should just stay with the Bears until Lovie gets an HC position in the next couple of years then leave.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 08:31 AM) So we're all onboard with tax increases for all of the administrative costs of this program then? Or will this entire program be staffed, managed and executed by people who may only be temporarily unemployed and may have no relevant background or experience for the jobs you'd task them with? what happens if the person babysitting for food stamps doesn't show? how much harder is it going to be to look for full-time employment or to get training/education while you're dealing with this program? What about suburban or rural poverty? edit: I would totally support, in times like these, a voluntary CCC or WPA-like program. I do not support turning a safety net into mandatory labor. There is nothing wrong with having people work for the money. As was stated there are many jobs they can do and will learn as they go. If someone doesn't show up, it's just like a real job, you don't get paid. Learning responsibility will be part of the process as well.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 06:47 AM) Bears former QB Jim Miller is a user too, lol again a player who put something in his body without clearing it first. While I agree he really wasn't a "user." You need to be smart about what you use and protect your job.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 06:17 AM) There is no circumstance that I would accept Tebow on the Bears. Lets completely forget the fact that he is a QB that cannot do the basic function of a QB, which is throw the ball, and lets point out how much of a distraction he would bring to the team. No. f***ing. Way. If he came in at minimal salary and was told he was the backup QB/tight end/ H back kind of a player it could be worth a shot. You could design some creative plays with him and Cutler on the field. Similar to Kordell Stewart with the Steelers, not the version in Chicago when he was the starting QB.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 16, 2013 -> 08:51 PM) there would be management and program costs like transportation. What happens when it's mostly cleaned in areas where poverty is endemic? What job skills do you learn picking up trash? Who is watching the kids at this time? What about the people on food stamps or housing assistance who are working? If these are jobs that previously employed people, those people are going to be displaced. Unless you expand funding for poverty programs, something else has to be cut. Others instead of cleaning up will be assigned to child care duties. Any job created by this program ie. transportation will be filled by someone from this program. If they are gainfully employed they would be exempt from the work program. They are always areas that need cleaning and once you hit them all, you start over again. Chicago while not the dirtiest city I've been to is not near the top of the cleanest either.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jan 16, 2013 -> 10:30 PM) Certainly, it is helpful and can be more or less so depending on what you're doing and how you use it. It just bothers me that this kid (much like Marcus Stroman) will be marked as a "user" now. I agree. However, they are told and should know that you put nothing in your body without contacting the athletic trainer and getting it cleared. They are told this repeatedly. So when something like this happens, I really don't feel too bad.

QUOTE (GoodAsGould @ Jan 16, 2013 -> 10:26 PM) I think most agree Carter was not a good president, but to say he has American hate??? I think the guy has done more positive things post-president than anyone before him and probably most after him. But, my order would be Clinton, Carter, Jr., and Sr. I have a feeling Bush Sr. would be very boring and possibly fall asleep mid dinner or I'd put him 2nd or 3rd. Ask him about his time spent in the ocean after getting shot down in WWII. He will talk about a great crew that he lost. He actually tells stories very well and is very personable, not dynamic but enjoyable. I met him at an air show in Midland Tx where there is a small museum about his military career. He was just hanging around talking to pilots and spectators.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jan 16, 2013 -> 03:47 PM) Why is the Bears Tebow jersey 5 when (a) his number of choice is 15 and (b) the number 5 has been retired by the Bears? Marshall currently has 15?

QUOTE (bhawk99 @ Jan 16, 2013 -> 03:37 PM) Wow great news, Flowers is projected to hit under .220 with less then 15 HR's and under 40 RBI's. Who needs AJ with those impressive numbers from our new starting catcher. With his defense and contract, he will be a much better value than AJ.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 16, 2013 -> 02:51 PM) Surgery was a "success" http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/eye-on-b...xmonth-recovery What in the heck did they do in there that would necessitate a 6 month rehab? That is a really long time for hip arthroscopy. Edit: Nevermind I just looked it up. It wasn't just a labrum. The was a bone impingement and a cyst as well.

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Jan 16, 2013 -> 11:05 AM) @mortreport Chip Kelly is the new coach of the Philadelphia Eagles, according to league sources. No announcement yet. I predict bust with this one. Gimmick offense will not work in NFL. Similar to Spurrier.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 16, 2013 -> 11:05 AM) Damn. I think South Bend just exploded. Wrong Kelly.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Jan 16, 2013 -> 10:16 AM) I had no idea my dad was on Twitter (my dad also hates the Cubs GM as well) I thought it was my father. He worked for the IC railroad when the Canandian National bought it. He HATES anything to do with Canada. He also hates the McCaskeys so anything to do with the Bears FO is always wrong.

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Jan 16, 2013 -> 08:27 AM) Honestly, Kromer alone adds about as much to our OL's effectiveness as signing a free agent or spending a 1st day pick in the draft. Dude knows how to coach those guys. Until he became an HC and OC, Mike Tice was widely considered one of the best O-line coaches in the league.

QUOTE (gatnom @ Jan 16, 2013 -> 12:31 AM) I really hate this line of thinking. ALL players are gambles on some level or another. Dunn was one of the most consistent players in the majors for nearly a decade, and as soon as he comes here he falls off a cliff. Alex Rios is also a "proven" MLB player. How much faith do you have that he will be worth $12.5 million next year? Veterans are less likely to outright bust (at least in the early years of their contracts), but are significantly more damaging when they do. It's also pretty unlikely that they ever significantly outperform their contracts in the way a prospect can. You need to achieve some sort of balance if you wish to have some measure of sustained success. You may not like it but it is the way many people think . Of course all players can be a bust especially for one season. However, odds are that proven MLB veterans have a better chance to perform than unknown prospects. However, on the other side they may not have the superstar potential either. It's usually a good idea to try some of both. The hard part is picking the right ones. Personally I never considered Alex Rios a proven player. He has always been very inconsistent. He is a veteran but I wouldn't have put him in the proven player category. When KW acquired him it wasn't at the expense of unproven prospects though, just money.