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QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jan 14, 2013 -> 03:44 PM) It's profit regardless of what ownership does with it. Maybe they put it back in to the business, maybe they take it as a dividend. I disagree.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jan 14, 2013 -> 03:13 PM) Operating income is defined as: "The amount of profit realized from a business's operations after taking out operating expenses - such as cost of goods sold (COGS) or wages - and depreciation." It's only profit for the investors if it is not put back into the team.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 13, 2013 -> 05:25 PM) That was also right during the steroid era, in a home run hittinig ballpark. Their team ERA+ was 125. For comparison, Mark Buehrle's career ERA+ is 119. Think about that. As a whole, the 2005 starting rotation pitched "Better than Mark Buehrle in a normal year". The best ERA+ in the league last year was Tampa, at 120. That's the best ERA+ in baseball since 2003. It's been 9 season since any team put together that good of a pitching campaign. The last team that was better? The 2003 Dodgers...with their part human, part testosterone injection closer. I'm finding it amazing looking at how good that pitching staff really was compared to the rest of the league for the last decade. I think alot of the surprising success from the pitching staff came from Cotts and Politte. Who had two shut down middle relievers who had unbelievable career years and they happen to do it together on the same team. The starters knew that these guys would shut anything down if they came into the game. This has always been the part of the team that has amazed me.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jan 14, 2013 -> 02:25 PM) Using Forbes numbers since 2003 Sox revenue is uo 101.8%, their payroll is up 102.9%, and their franchise value is up 157%. Moreover during this time the Sox have made $175M. When the value of the asset goes from $20M to $600M, more of that profit should be spent on payroll. The 175 is operating income not profit. The franchise value and asset value has absolutely nothing to do with the liquid budget. You cannot spend an asset unless you sell it. If they sell the team they would realize this increased in asset value but then they couldn't spend it on what they don't own.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jan 14, 2013 -> 01:46 PM) Chairman Reinsdorf ownership group bought the team for roughly $20M. A conservative estimate (the Padres sold for $800M) from Forbes shows the Sox are worth $600M. According to Forbes over the last 10 years the Sox operating income is roughly $175M. They could easily afford an extra $25M in payroll. If the operating income is 175 million and you want to spend 125 on the MLB payroll, the rest of the organization will only get 50 million. So you don't want much for minor leagues and support staff, I assume. Where will future growth come from will minimal minor league production and minimal medical support.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jan 14, 2013 -> 01:46 PM) Chairman Reinsdorf ownership group bought the team for roughly $20M. A conservative estimate (the Padres sold for $800M) from Forbes shows the Sox are worth $600M. According to Forbes over the last 10 years the Sox operating income is roughly $175M. They could easily afford an extra $25M in payroll. According to baseball cube (http://www.thebaseballcube.com/teams/stats.asp?Y=2000&T=7) the sox payroll in 2000 was 31.1 million. With the 200% increase you were referring to the payroll should be 93.3 million. I think the Sox have out performed what you should expect from those calculations.

QUOTE (ScottyDo @ Jan 14, 2013 -> 12:59 PM) Sounds trustworthy. He's got nothing at stake there. Incidentally, I saw a commercial by a corn lobby recently. It turns out high fructose corn syrup is totally cool now. The body doesn't know the difference between types of sugar.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 14, 2013 -> 12:50 PM) I have no problem with that, good chance for him to get extra innings. The only problem I have is that the WBC may add more "intense" innings than spring training. There is a big difference in pitching in competitive situations and spring training. I'm attaching a good article discussing pitch velocity and it's relationship to the etiology of elbow problems. It's done with high school pitchers but with added velocity of MLB pitchers the problems were intensified. pitch_velocity_and_medial_elbow_injuries.pdf

QUOTE (Reddy @ Jan 12, 2013 -> 04:44 PM) aren't you and your industry better off if more people are sick more often? EDIT: I'm not saying individual medical professionals such as yourself are bad people, or in cahoots, but the INDUSTRY itself is governed by the same capitalistic principles as our nation. the dollar rules all. Not really. Currently, we are so swamped with patients that we cannot handle to patient load. This makes the patient's extremely irritable and makes my job harder. It would be better if we had about a 20% decrease in patient's. We would as much money and the patients would be happier. This is the problem I have with the proposed version of health insurance. We cannot handle the volume now. If we add more people into the system, the quality of care is going to drop proportionally to number of people added. There are just not enough qualified people in healthcare.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Jan 12, 2013 -> 02:30 PM) lol exactly - the government is terrible when it comes to the health/nutrition of americans. they wanna keep us sick to keep the medical industry thriving. Yes, we in the medical industry are in with the government for this conspiracy. You caught us.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jan 12, 2013 -> 12:36 PM) Let the dopes running this country add another tax when they can't trim their budget? Walk into a public school where the kids are given a government breakfast. The government only requires calories. None of it is really healthy. The sugar content alone would be like eating 4 Snicker bars. I know this is a little off topic but did you know that the government considers pizza a vegetable? In Will county the schools can now only serve cheese pizza. This is because if it has anything like sausage it won't meet the State governments criteria for a vegetable.

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Jan 12, 2013 -> 10:02 AM) I just cannot believe so many of you care if other people eat themselves to death. Honestly, why do you give a s***? Because with the new healthcare system coming, I'm going to be paying for their medical care.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jan 11, 2013 -> 12:35 PM) There is a problem that the plan the Sox have to "win a championship" is too expensive for them to execute. They either need to change the plan or improve the revenues. Instead of doing either, they stay in the middle. You are confusing ownership with management. The ownership routinely spends enough to be in the top ten in salary in MLB. The funds are there. How it is spent is another category. That is how the GM allocates it.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 11, 2013 -> 11:33 AM) At least he is smart enough to recognize what a problem he is for a coaching staff to deal with...you want to talk about a "coach killer." The only advantage was that in Jacksonville he would have made an impact in revenues. Unless you have a good team in place he may have been worth it as you are rebuilding the rest of the team.

In kind of a backwards way, the "steroid era" may have done something good in baseball. They are the only sports entity that is truly taking all known steps to prevent or at least diminish PED use. This would not have happened if the PED wasn't so rampant and really came to light after the HOF voting. If you a select few used them it wouldn't have gotten this much attention or reaction.

QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Jan 11, 2013 -> 07:25 AM) Yes. Most regular dudes are around 1:1. Elite athletes often approach 4:1. In rare cases, some people may go over 4:1 naturally, but due to the rarity, that's usually the "something's suspicious" line where more testing gets done. If you're at like 10:1, you been doin somethin. You're correct. This is why the baseline monitoring is so important. If you know thier natural variance, you know when something changes. You don't have to know exactly what it is but you know they are doing something.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 10, 2013 -> 01:31 PM) As someone who does not know anything about this stuff, how much natural variance is there in these sorts of levels? Can (some) athletes see larger variances because of their workouts, diets, etc? There is always some variance. however, with small variances there will not be much advantage to the athlete. The testosterone must go up to see benefits. This is why they also test for things that raise the epitestosterone level in an attempt to mask the change in the ratio. Nothing can mask the changes that happen when you know the normal variances of an athlete. This why this type of testing is a quantumleap in prevetning PED use.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 10, 2013 -> 01:34 PM) Time is a factor as well. Going to the library takes time, learning how to cook takes time, getting the necessary cooking utensils and tools takes time and money. The parent raising three kids by themselves might struggle to find time to go to the store, learn to cook, raise their kids, work, exercise, etc. etc. It's a hell of a lot easier for some people to make the 'right' choices than it is for others is all I'm saying. Think about what advantages you might enjoy and might take for granted before you cast a moral judgement that someone's being lazy, dumb, irresponsible etc. Someone is a little touchy. I never said any of those things that you are implying. I resent the fact that you are trying to paint me as someone who would even says that about someone. You really need to take it down a notch and respond in a civil fashion. All I said was anyone can learn to cook. You don't need much as far as utensils. Everyone struggles to find time. If it's worth it to you, you will. If not it's your choice. Have you ever had to live on welfare and use food stamps to eat? I have, my father died when I was in high school from cancer. I've lived with my mother making 12,000 as a secretary with 3 kids. It's all about prioritizing and making the right choices.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 10, 2013 -> 12:52 PM) “@JonHeymanCBS: MLB will announce agreement for random, unannounced in-season hgh blood testing. first major US sport to test for hgh.” Nice This is good as well. But the previously mentioned testing process will be more effective.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 10, 2013 -> 12:38 PM) Jeff Passan ‏@JeffPassan New: MLB has "longitudinal testing program" in which lab will maintain baseline T/E ratio to identify suspicious samples even when T/E In English: Baseball will start keeping a doping profile of sorts on players so even the slightest change in testosterone ratio is evident. WADA lab in Montreal will get baseline samples of testosterone, epitestosterone, T/E ratio and use those on subsequent tests going forward. This is what is being proposed at he olympic level. This is a great way to enhance the drug testing policy. You don't need to discover all of the synthetic, tailored drugs. this is impossible as chemists come up with new ones for which athletes are not tested. In this system you only need to know that something changed.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 10, 2013 -> 12:14 PM) But the issue with food deserts is that they may not have access to a decent produce area with affordable produce, so that doesn't do them much good. There's also the aspect of actually knowing how to prepare and cook different meals and having the stuff to do so. Yeah, processed food is easier, there's a whole lot of time and stress issues you face when in poverty. The parent working two jobs and raising two or three kids might not actually have time to exercise that much or they might be exhausted at the end of a long day. This applies to some people in some circumstances, not everybody, obviously. Anyone can figure out how to make a meal. Go to the library and read a book, use the internet from the library, there are many options. The parent raising 3 kids can go for a walk. If health is the issue, they can find the time.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jan 10, 2013 -> 12:01 PM) Making a big ass, healthy salad with a protein source each day is not expensive nor all that time consuming. I can whip up a beast salad with three eggs on top in the time it takes to go to the drive through and order trash. People always have excuses for why they can't stay healthy - when it's not hard at all. Agreed. Time is the excuse. When we have to run one kid from one practice to practice there is no time for going home. However, going to a fast food place and ordering a plain grilled chicken sandwich or the salad is not a bad option. It cost more but it saves time.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Jan 10, 2013 -> 09:26 AM) thank you. the point i was making was that when you let the almighty dollar and free market control our food supply and health care system, it leads to this result. no matter WHAT choices you make these days, our food products are far inferior to their 1950's counterparts. Doctors and pharmaceutical companies have NO incentive to actually heal people, because then they stop making money. Choices make all the difference. If you eat healthy and take care of yourself, odds are you will not need the medical system often. The medical system is not a "not for profit" system. No medical systems have these incentives. Insurance companies on the other hand have a lot at stake to keep you healthy. Many of them have incentives (good results with blood work) to keep premiums down.

QUOTE (3E8 @ Jan 10, 2013 -> 11:37 AM) At least now the team is acknowledging their ticket costs have been too high and are lowering prices across the board. Let's see if it changes attendance. The high cost is one excuse fans have for not coming to games. There is now one less excuse. My bet is that attendance doesn't much and fans find other excuses.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 9, 2013 -> 03:29 PM) These percentages tell me that Bonds and Clemens get in eventually. Personally, this is more of an indictment on Sammy Sosa. 12.5% for a guy who never test positive and never admitted to it? Won an MVP, multiple All-Star appearances, 600+ home runs, only guy to hit 60+ homers in 3 seasons. There are about 1 million red flags, and apparently the BBWAA has taken those quite seriously and they have essentially stated that, without steroids, Sosa is nowhere near a Hall of Famer. He was caught with syringes while in the DR and some were also found in his car when Manny Alexander had it.