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QUOTE (Whitewashed in '05 @ Aug 13, 2012 -> 11:04 PM) That isn't actually true is it? AJ said that was bs. It did happen. Some of the other stuff in SF with some of the pitchers is suspect but the incident with the athletic trainer did happen.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 13, 2012 -> 01:50 PM) Can you picture a scenario in which the White Sox ever replace Robin Ventura? He's proven he's not a buffoon and knows how to manage, which is not rocket science. He's already proven he's as good as anybody they could get nowadays. He is the opposite of Ozzie mouth-wise, so he'll never get himself fired. That leaves him stepping down some day on his own. I would assume he's set for life financially five times over, so I guess he could tire of the grind. If he truly loves baseball, I think he's our manager the next 25 years. How can the Sox ever fire Robin Ventura? That can't happen cause of his name and history with the franchise. All managers are hired to be fired. Eventually they lose the team and the team begins to lose. It happens to all of them. I loved Ozzie as a manger but by the end it was time to go. It doesn't mean he wasn't good, he just lost the team. It will happen to Robin as well. In ozzie's case it was "it became too much of a distraction'. When Robin goes it will be "he was too calm, we needed someone to push it a little." It's just how it goes.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 12, 2012 -> 11:17 PM) Seems like he'd be a natural. A lot of times he looks in the dugout if a pitcher has completely lost it. Seems like he'd have a good feel. It's amazing when you talk about managing. Ventura has done well enough this year that he's assured a 20-year tenure with the Sox if he wants it. What is Robin, 45? He's proven he can manage. With his personality, he's NEVER going to get in trouble with anybody (owners or players) so he's set. He could be a White Sox legend. If he can win one or two WS in 25 years and eight division titles, he'll be a living White Sox legend. Question is ... can he do that? Let's say he's our skipper the next 25 years. Can he win 2 WS and eight division titles? I'd say maybe one WS. Two might be difficult. robin can get along with people. aj cannot. or maybe it's will nkt. i'm not sure but either way i don't think he will ever manage in the majors. i could be wrong but its just my opinion.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 12, 2012 -> 11:13 PM) Ptatc were you the guy he hit in the nuts ? You seem so level headed on every subject except AJ. it wasn't me but i know the guy. i don't mean to come off as a jerk but from my experience he just doesn't have the personality to be a manager. he is avery good player and has helped the sox win many games. but that doesn't change who he is.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 12, 2012 -> 09:54 PM) Today's heads up play by AJP in scoring all the way from first on a slow roller to short has, in my mind, earned him another 2 year Sox contract. Not to mention his 23rd home run. Let's say for some reason he stinks next year. Well he'd still not be stealing money, cause he's underpaid this year considering his production. I mean ... the man is so damn smart. He scores all the way from first base on a slow roller to short?? You got to be kidding me. He's the smartest man in baseball. He'll know when his skills have diminished to the point he's done. For now ... sign him up. He definitely will manage the White Sox some day if Robin decides he doesn't want the job forever. I'm sure nobody will dispute this ... AJP deserves to remain a White Sox and deserves a good chunk of change for next season!!! Give him 8 million a year for the next two years and be done with it. He will never be a manager in the Major Leagues. His personality will not allow it to happen.

QUOTE (RZZZA @ Aug 10, 2012 -> 02:58 PM) Beckham was doing pretty good at the top of the lineup. For some reason he hits the ball hard when he's batting at the top, and just looks like s*** when he's batting 9th I think it's the fact that he is pitched to more carefully in front of Dunn and Konerko, so who wouldn't be a better hitter there.

Kuhn for cash? Unless it was for Norm, the Sox must really be hard up for money.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Aug 7, 2012 -> 09:17 AM) I'm a little worried that he might develop carpal tunnel and recommend a strict keystroke limit. I don't believe in keystroke limits. The wrist activity is not to just active keyboarding. There are many other activities that are done with the wrist and hand outside of keyboarding that could cause repetitive stress and thus cause the carpal tunnel.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 7, 2012 -> 09:15 AM) I think this Danks' news is pretty close to best-case scenerio. As far as surgery goes, you are correct.

QUOTE (daggins @ Aug 6, 2012 -> 07:24 PM) Same thing as Byrdak? http://www.amazinavenue.com/2012/8/6/32244...y?ref=fangraphs They make it sound more serious. It's a similar injury but not as severe. In the case of Sanatana and Byrdak the tears were significant enough to find on the imaging exams. Danks' was not. It's like a mild ankle sprain that you walk off versus a severe ankle sprain the needs to go into a cast. They are both ankle sprains but the severity is different. Danks has a better prognosis and a better chance to return earlier than some of the others on that list. The other advantage he has is his young age compared to most on the list.

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Aug 6, 2012 -> 02:18 PM) @MDGonzales Danks had repair of capsular tear and minor debridements of the rotator cuff and biceps in his left shoulder. Will be in sling for 4 weeks @MDGonzales on track to be ready by spring training in 2013. This is pretty much what I was talking about earlier when they were so vague as to what was going on. The rotator cuff and biceps debridement are the "cleaning up" of normal wear and tear on a pitcher. The capsular repair is the key. He should recover just fine depending on how loose the capsule was. Hopefully, the surgeon was able to determine how tight it needed to be. With no real muscle damage his strength will be fine and the rehab will be quick. Either way he will be throwing again by Spring Training. It will be a 3-6 months rehab protocol.

QUOTE (joeynach @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 11:34 AM) Its listed on his player profile on Rotoworld. He was diagnosed with slight tear in Scapula of throwing shoulder, but the whole time I felt like there was no way he was going to magically recover from that without surgery. Remember how bad Danks was earlier in the year pitching with the tear, he couldnt hit 90 MPH and every change up he threw got hit hard. This is totally wrong. First of all there is no such thing as a tear in a scapula. The scapula is a bone and it can fracture but not tear (unless you are skeletally immature but that's another story). With a diagnosis of something that doesn't exist no one could possibly know the outcome. Even if the injury existed, it said a grade 1, which is a mild strain that would in no way require surgery. That's why all along it had nothing to do with what was reported and still doesn't.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 1, 2012 -> 07:49 PM) If Danks comes back and Sale and Quintana suffer no ill effects of having an innings boost this year, you could probably get that and more. If Sale stays healthy and is ready for 180+ innings next year, that's cy young material. He will get close to that this year so he should be ready for it next year.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 1, 2012 -> 09:56 PM) They always say that. If "buy out" costs him money, he's not going to do that. It doesn't happen. Who is his agent anyway? If the Sox don't exercise his option he'll take whatever money the Sox owe him, go to free agency and sign to the highest bidder. If anything, it'd probably be a west coast NL team. Dodgers, baby. Have you forgotten Jake's injury history? It's not like he's now physically invincible. He's still Jake Peavy an injury concern. That's why he gets no more than a 3 year deal.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Aug 1, 2012 -> 10:16 PM) I could read your sig all day, everyday for the rest of my life. Jesus was Frank great. One of the great team sports athletes ever. Agreed. The best right handed hitter since he came into the league.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Aug 1, 2012 -> 12:37 AM) Have the beach volleyball on in the background right now. I had no idea feet "freezing" was a gigantic issue. Hot water tubs, etc. It's been the commentary for about 50% of the entire match. The players do complain about it alot. I've only worked tournaments here in the summer so I've never seen it but I've heard stories. The stories are talked about in terms of epic status. "Remember when my toes were blue with frozen foot. that was the worst case EVER."

QUOTE (Jake @ Aug 1, 2012 -> 08:54 AM) Any chance he has some labrum scarring or something like that? I had a doctor that wanted to go in and remove scar tissue and fraying as opposed to actually repairing the labrum. They estimated around a 3 month recovery vs 12+. It's possible it could be related to the labrum. If there was a significant tear, it should have shown on the imaging. Since nothing showed on the imaging, it could be that that labrum comes loose from the bone and contributes to the looseness of the joint. This is common in pitchers because the biceps tendon connects to the labrum. The bicep tendon can even come loose. However, all of these are fixed by tacking them back down to the bone. This is a simple procedure and rehab is around 6 months.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 1, 2012 -> 12:54 AM) Wow. Another pitcher bites the dust. Thanks for some good memories in a Sox uniform, John Danks. I don't expect we'll be seeing him excel on the mound again. But he had some good moments while it all lasted. That is far too pessimistic. It's a possibility but a remote one. Odds are he will be throwing again within 6 months.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 30, 2012 -> 07:36 PM) Very nice. I'm trying to be positive because I like where the Sox are at, at the moment. But KW didn't go from being below average to above in 4 weeks. That's right. He's been above average the whole time.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 31, 2012 -> 10:17 PM) So what will they do if they open him up and find absolutely nothing wrong? Will they fix something anyway just to make everyone feel better? They will always find something in a pitcher's shoulder. If they find nothing major the question will be if they find the correct minor thing. Look for the stand by "clean up" phrase. If they say that it will mean they didn't find much and just tightened it up as I stated earlier. This could either be really good or bad depending on how accurately the physician tightens it. Either way he will be throwing by spring training if it is a "clean up."

QUOTE (BlackBetsy @ Jul 31, 2012 -> 07:53 PM) It surprises me that with MRI, CT, etc. doctors still have to do "exploratory surgery" to figure out what is wrong with someone's shoulder. What I worry about is that Danks' problems are shoulder problems. The list of pitchers who have come back from shoulder surgeries successfully is a LOT shorter than those who have come back from elbow surgeries. This is because of the problem I stated earlier. The imaging doesn't always show the exact problem, it shows signs of the problem ie. fluid where it shouldn't be. There are so many structures involved in making the shoulder work that it is very difficult to tell what is going on. The bright side of this is that usually something major such as a rotator cuff tear is visible during these common imaging techniques. The fact that they can't find it could be a good sign. It means there is no major structural damage. Unless they aren't telling us something. I think he will be ready to throw by Spring training. These exploratories usually wind up a the general "looseness" as I stated earlier. If they find major structural damage it could be different. If it's not structural, the 7 months until Spring training should be sufficient.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 31, 2012 -> 03:47 PM) Would a full recovery be expected? That's the part where they would need to tighten it up just right to maintain enough flexibility yet increase the stability. Most often he would fully recover but it is less of a guarantee than if they knew what the damaged tissue was.

QUOTE (scenario @ Jul 31, 2012 -> 12:00 PM) I spent a few minutes looking on medical sites for treatment of this type of injury. Seems physical therapy is the first option. Surgery is not normally recommended for Grade 1 unless physical therapy doesn't provide results. Time period for therapy was described as normally 6-8 weeks. If he requires arthroscopic surgery, it says the normal recovery time would be 3-6 months. This is all true. However, I'm still skeptical if this is the actual problem. The did an ultrasound after the MRI. As I stated in a different thread, these are usually for muscle injuries not tendon. I think this case is one that no one really knows what's going on so they rested and rehabbed it to see if it would help. If it does, he'll pitch again. If it doesn't they'll do surgery. Most of the time, this type of ambiguous pain comes from overall shoulder instability. In a pitcher typically the "looseness" focuses in the anterior part of the shoulder and begins to degenerate tissue in this area. This could explain the original Subscapularis findings. The grade 1 tears show as fluid in the area as it's only a minor tear. General degeneration will show up like this as well. My guess is that if can't continue to throw they will do surgery to tighten up the joint capsule and "clean up" anything else they find. The only real danger of this is if they tighten up the capsule too much it isn't flexible enough. If they don't tighten it up enough, the joint is still too loose. It can be tricky. Either way if they do surgery anytime before Oct. he should be ready to go in spring Training.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 31, 2012 -> 03:15 PM) Rangers beat guy: Evan Grant ‏@Evan_P_Grant Sources: Rangers send 3B Christian Villanueva and RHP Kyle Hendricks to Cubs for Dempster. Good trade. Hendricks is going to be real good.

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Jul 24, 2012 -> 01:53 PM) With the mindset of them NOT taking his option next year, I woudn't mind them dealing Floyd in attempt to bolster a deal for Grienke. Yes, you may risk losing him in free agency next year, BUT having Grienke in the rotation along with Peavy, Quintana, and Sale THIS YEAR could be scary for any opposing team the rest of the way. Oh and Danks will likely come back at the end of August too. I will worry about the future during the offseason Another thing to remember is that both Quintana and Sale will most likely run out of gas this season and tire out. They will need a break. If Danks comes back he will be rested. But that means you will need to depend on Humber and Peavy and Floyd or Greinke more heavily.