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QUOTE (Steve9347 @ May 7, 2012 -> 08:16 AM) I agree. Relievers are a dime a dozen. However, not every player is built to be a starter. Ask the Braves of the 90's about relievers. They won only 1 world series because they couldn't finish games after the starters were out.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 6, 2012 -> 07:36 PM) The Tigers announcers were: 1) Thanking their lucky stars that Sale wasn't facing them 2) Wondering how when a closer would need to warm up quickly 3-4-5 times per week...and going maximum velocity/full effort for 10-15-20-25 pitches each appearance, how in any way, shape or form that would reduce the stress on the elbow. There's the bad mechanics stress (human anatomy/physiology versus physics), and there is the slider torque issue to deal with as well. Are they going to eliminate that pitch from his repertoire? How much would his effectiveness be eliminated in that situation as a result? Where is PTAC to make a insightful comment on this entire situation? Haven't seen him around here recently, this is one of the more fascinating "injury" debates probably in recent White Sox history, since an injury hasn't even happened. I'm right in the middle of coaching my son's lacrosse season so I've been busy. There are primarily 2 ways to incur this type of elbow injury. This first is just overuse. The second is mechanical. With Sale it's hard to tell which one it is because he has not been a starter at this level or with this intensity. The Detroit announcers logic is somewhat flawed as when the pitcher is warming up he isn't throwing hard for all of those and he isn't throwing the variety of pitches in great numbers. Sale's mechanics with that lower arm slot will tend to put alot of stress on the elbow. My guess is that the Sox feel he will throw fewer sliders out of the bullpen. He'll still throw them but he can throw harder in the shorter appearance and see each batter fewer times. Every time a pitcher throws a pitch there is enough force on the elbow to tear the ulnar collateral ligament. The only thing holding it together is the muscle on the inside of the elbow. We don't know how Sale has responded after each of his starts on his off days. The Sox must feel that they need to limit the number of pitches he throws because of his mechanics. Cooper and Schneider know what they're doing and wouldn't move him if there wasn't trouble going on in between starts.

QUOTE (danman31 @ May 3, 2012 -> 01:37 PM) I have a hard time believing an ankle injury significantly took away speed. Short-term, or maybe even a couple years after, but long-term that just doesn't make sense to me. His injury wasn't an ankle sprain or a "routine" injury. He ruptured his posterior tibialis tendon off the bone. This muscle basically controls the motion of your arch during walking or running. I don't know if he lost any speed. However, it is very feasible that he could, temporarily or permanently.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 30, 2012 -> 02:33 PM) Wow. I am shocked. Suspension I could believe. Firing? Wow. I think this is a case of waiting for an excuse to get him.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Apr 22, 2012 -> 10:54 PM) I am in a posting mood today so that's the only reason I post in this thread. Ozzie and Cowley are yesterdays news . I am in favor of anything Cowley/Ozzie related to be closed. +184301275487549325

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Apr 22, 2012 -> 10:47 PM) If you don't like the guy or respect him ( and by respect him I mean his abilities) then why go out of your way to praise him such as Humber after the perfect game or Sale after a recent victory? So maybe trust is a better word to describe how they feel about him. I think they do respect his baseball abilities, as do I. But the original comment was that "they like him and respect him." This is not the case. I think trusting his abilities is accurate as well.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Apr 22, 2012 -> 10:40 PM) Then all the pitchers who constantly praise him are liars for the camera ? THey praise his catching ability. He is a good player. He calls an excellent game. But you don't see personal compliments other than the obligatory "he's one of our team mates" type comments.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Apr 22, 2012 -> 09:28 PM) uh... what? first of all biggest in height and weight would be adam dunn. secondly... i think the pitchers on this team like him a lot The comment was one of the biggest if you want that literal. I believe he qualifies as one of the biggest. Most of the pitchers do not like him. I'm not sure about the rookies but I know the vets don't like him.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Apr 22, 2012 -> 10:26 PM) Good post. Sox don't win it w/out AJ in 2005. Doesn't mean he is liked or respected. Barry Bonds was one of the greatest players of all time. He was still an arrogant a**, who no one liked or respected. People just dealt with him because he helped them win. AJ is in the same category. Players deal with him.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Apr 22, 2012 -> 10:24 PM) In the world of professional sports being liked is way behind being respected and I guarantee AJ is well respected. No he's not.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Apr 22, 2012 -> 06:37 PM) he single-handedly WON you an ALCS, he stomped aaron boone, he gave joe borchard $100 for homering off Brett Tomko, I could go on and on and on he's one of the biggest leaders on this club. Biggest only in height and weight. The guy is a complete a** and very few people like him. No one looks to him for leadership. That being said I always root for the Sox thus him in a secondary way I root for him.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Apr 21, 2012 -> 01:46 PM) I don't want anybody to be the closer. I want Santiago pitching in the highest-leverage situation vs LH batters and Crain pitching in the highest-leverage situation vs RH batters and I want Thornton pitching in the second highest-leverage situation in both cases. That would never work. Players need to know their roles to into their routine. It may work for a short time but would not work over a long period of time.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 19, 2012 -> 02:14 PM) Viciedo really seems like he's lost some of his aggressiveness at the plate. Has let a lot of pitches go by this year in the early going. Crap. Struck out the side. At least there are some positives to build on with Dunn and Rios. Now we have to worry about Dayan, unfortunately. In this day and age of sabermetrics walks are really emphasized. He is probably trying to walk more and I think it takes away from his game.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 19, 2012 -> 01:03 AM) A 31 year old journeyman pitcher is going to block Rienzo. Seriously? Maybe they don't think he is mentally ready.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 16, 2012 -> 03:18 PM) Rios did have that bonehead drop in the OF the other day, and De Aza had a complete misplay yesterday that cost a run. Don't know if those count or not, but that's what comes to mind so far. Dunn was doubled off second on a Paulie line drive to the short stop. That is the true mental error I've seen. But they definitely seem fewer this year so far.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 14, 2012 -> 05:50 PM) Not since McDowell, Ventura, Frank Thomas and Alex Fernandez. When they had high draft picks and were a bad mlb team.

QUOTE (JohnCangelosi @ Apr 14, 2012 -> 03:58 AM) I cannot recall a player coming up in his rookie year, looking SO good, and falling off like this to where he is now. Ever. Joe Charbenaeu (sp?) Was rookie of the year for Cleveland in 1980. He was so bad the next 2 years, he was out of the major leagues for good in 2 or 3 years.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 11, 2012 -> 01:06 PM) So for the 2nd game of a series we'll get things like Beckham leading off, instead of the 3rd game? This is the more likely scenario. You have to find days when the regulars get days off. It's a philosophical of how many regulars did substitute at once and on which day.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Apr 7, 2012 -> 12:18 PM) I agree with this, but why does it anger Soxtalk so much? Why do people care about him destroying Williams when Williams himself has done such an awful job the last three years? Mostly because he has done a good job over his tenure here. More playoff appearances than in the 30 years before him. One of the better winning % in baseball. I know you're going to complain about the last 3 years and you're right. However, not everyone is that short sighted and like it or not JR is going to give him a chance to fix it. If the young players show progress he will be around at least 2 years after this one.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 30, 2012 -> 10:43 AM) I'm extremely worried about Viciedo's future, because he tends to be a slow starter anyway, and this team has an annoying history of rapidly turning people who start off struggling into platoon players because the veteran on the bench needs his at-bats. Or maybe it was the previous manager's distrust of rookies helping him win games. Hopefully Ventura has a little more patience, although from the manager's perspective, you can see why they want to win as many games as possible if a player is struggling.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 29, 2012 -> 08:41 AM) I like these guys coming around the team. That is a whole lot of baseball knowledge in those guys. All of these guys were coaches who taught Ventura how to play major league baseball. He learned from them how to play, now he will learn from them on how to manage. Very good moves by KW to help his rookie manager.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 25, 2012 -> 08:57 PM) I didn't see this anywhere else, but this is a great read on pitching mechanics and tommy john surgery, including ridiculuing the idea of a problem by Cooper. It's a great article. They're right, it's near impossible to change it at the major league level. The time to catch it is in the minors. The clubs are much more likely to listen then. I've been to many courses at ASMI and this is where most of the good research happens. They've been collecting data on pitchers in spring training for 15 years. They're database is second to none in baseball.

QUOTE (Cali @ Mar 26, 2012 -> 02:40 PM) So baseball, lots of ballplayers are rich and stubborn. Instead of doing something to fix what's causing your injury you just fall back on surgery. There is no doubt in my mind Stras will get hurt again in his career. Probably TJ again. Which sucks cause his stuff is fun to watch... Part of the problem is that he couldn't throw some of his stuff without the poor mechanics. If he corrects it, he'll have fewer problems but the stuff won't be there.

QUOTE (Wanne @ Mar 23, 2012 -> 12:07 PM) Wow...that's bad. So much for his career IMO. That's too bad... He'll be back. however, it may effect his mechanics as I stated before.

QUOTE (Believer2005 @ Mar 23, 2012 -> 04:13 PM) New videos from Winning Ugly: 20 Years Later just posted. See how the playoffs went down, Carlton Fisk talk pitchers, how the season started, and the chemistry that made the ‘83 team so special. Playoffs: Fisk on Pitchers: Beginnings: Chemistry: I remember Carlton "human rain delay" Fisk from that year. Adjust each glove, adjust the pants, put one foot in the box, pull on the jersey a couple of times, look skyward and take a couple of deep breaths. Between every pitch.