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QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Dec 18, 2012 -> 03:54 PM) Thanks for the suggestions everyone. Chocolate milk is a good suggestion because it has a little of everything in it. Another good suggestion is the recovery drinks or pickle juice. For a person training for a triathalon who is going from one to the next this type of nutrition is important.

QUOTE (Jake @ Dec 18, 2012 -> 03:08 PM) Not super new references and one redundant one, but this source is a Ph.D who specializes in protein in the athlete's diet. He's also a pro natural bodybuilder, but that by no means makes you an authority. Posting from tablet so I'm not very prepared with references. The main point is that we have nothing to worry about with the amount of protein we might eat, even when we are pushing it past conservative recommendations. http://www.biolayne.com/uncategorized/myth...in-diet-safety/ I also think that worrying about nutrient timing, particularly carbs and fats, is a waste of time unless you're doing endurance training (like a marathoner, not 30 minutes on an elliptical) or otherwise totally depleting glycogen. I might speculate that CrossFit and P90x training could deplete glycogen, fwiw. I'm not necessarily saying that excess protein WILL cause kidney dysfunction However, it can be a contributing factor and alot of research shows this. This latest information isn't research but someone who has picked some articles that are old. The most recent is 8 years old. Another factor he states is the high level athlete. His examples are body builders and elite athletes who workout for a living. This is still the type of information that you need to be careful with. It's a person trying to promote an idea and doesn't have recent information.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 18, 2012 -> 01:02 PM) IMO, yes. Frankly, chocolate milk may work for you. ALso, I dont know about this "peeing" out protein BS I saw earlier. I s*** out spare protein, and its quite nasty. After you workout hard and pee it can get brownish and smelly. This is some protein from muscle. However, ingested protein does get filtered in the kidneys this is why an excess can cause problems.

QUOTE (103 mph screwball @ Dec 18, 2012 -> 12:10 PM) All I want for Christmas is a good juicy trade rumor. I don't care if it is real or not. Anything plausible that has a uncertain source like Gavin's cousin's husband or Rich Hahn's cable guy. Anything for Soxtalk to discuss and start thinking about even if we all know it only has a small chance of happening. I miss KW already. Something big was always possible at any time with KW so the Sox could always be the mystery team in all of the rumors. Besides, this would be a good time to notice my sig. Hopefully Hahn is just good at working behind the scenes and we don't go back to the days of Schueler where non one is traded because they believe that our prospects are better than everyone else's and they seems afraid to trade anyone..

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Dec 18, 2012 -> 11:40 AM) Not a why me at all. I wasn't even arguing. Is it so out of the realm of possibility, that Danks does not come back as good as before, to warrant being jumped on? I don't think so. The significance is saying this is like saying "the Sox will suck." Most posters want to know the reason why you think Danks will not be good, just like when others want to know why posters think what they think. There is not much good discussion from a blanket statement without a supporting statement. That's why it leads to the perceived attacks.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Dec 18, 2012 -> 09:44 AM) So it's the messenger not the message. I thought the message board guidelines frowned upon that sort of thing. i think it was more your comment that he won't throw 190 due to the surgery because all pitcher's who have surgery will have problems. I was trying to clarify the type of surgery and why there is hope for him to well this year compared to other types of surgery. There obviously is no guarantee however the "he had surgery so he cannot do well this year" is the far other end of the spectrum.

QUOTE (Jake @ Dec 18, 2012 -> 11:28 AM) http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nutrition...troversies.html No offense but the reference is from one person's view and all of his references are at least 7 years out of date. There are many articles related to excess protein and possible damage to the body. Here is an abstract from the journal Toxicology, a well-respected research journal: Recent studies have revealed that trichloroethylene (TCE) can induce occupational medicamentosa-like dermatitis (OMLD) with multi-system injuries, including liver, kidney and skin injuries, which can subsequently cause multiple organ failure later. But the mechanism of immune dysfunction leading to organ injury was rarely clarified. The present study was initiated to analyze the influence of trichloroethylene on renal injury and study the relevant mechanism in guinea pigs. Guinea pig maximization test (GPMT) was carried out. Inflammation on the guinea pigs' skin was scored. Kidney function, urine protein and ultra-structural change of kidney were determined by biochemical detection and electron microscope. Deposition of complement 3 and membrane attack complex (MAC, C5b-9) were determined by immunohistochemistry. Erythema and edema of skin impairment were observed in TCE sensitized groups, and sensitization rate was 63.16%. Through electron microscope, tubular epithelial cell mitochondrial swelling, vacuolar degeneration and atrophy of microvillus were observed in TCE sensitized groups. The parameters of urease and urinary protein elevated markedly, and a high degree of C3 and MAC deposition was found in the renal tubular epithelial cells in TCE sensitized groups. By demonstrating that TCE and its metabolites can cause the deposition of C3 and MAC in renal epithelial cells, we found that activated complement system may be the mechanism of the acceleration and the development of TCE-induced kidney disease. Again I don't take any one source and put much weight on it. However, too much of any one thing is usually not good. Something as toxic as protein can cause problems. As long as you monitor the extra protein you are probably fine but it needs to be monitored.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 17, 2012 -> 04:15 PM) Right, and that's why balta's talking about different restrictions based on where you live making sense. Correct but it also means that guns do have a use and people not only have a right but need them for various reasons.

QUOTE (CanOfCorn @ Dec 17, 2012 -> 03:58 PM) It is not false. A car has a purpose outside of deadly harm. I agree with you about drinking and driving. But...a gun has no other purpose. Guns serve an important purpose for livelyhood of many people. I use them to keep the coyotes away from the chickens. The ground squrriels and rodents who destroy crops also fall in this category. There was a cougar once that was threatening the cattle. This is why you need local laws. Weapons do serve a purpose other than killing for fun as many people are stating.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Dec 16, 2012 -> 05:23 PM) So we can expect 190 innings from Danks next year. This is possible but I doubt it. He will suffer from missing so much time last year. I don't have the exact numbers in front of me but I know he missed most of the year. With this type of surgery it depends on accurrate the surgeon was and if the medical staff needed to stretch out the capsule. As I stated earlier it's a big advantage not having the primary problem being the rotator cuff or bicep tendon. No surgery is a sure thing but this one is a "lesser of the evils." You are being too pessimistic about his chances.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 16, 2012 -> 10:28 AM) <!--quoteo(post=2737934:date=Dec 16, 2012 -> 07:58 AM:name=Alpha Dog)-->QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Dec 16, 2012 -> 07:58 AM) <!--quotec-->Is the answer to make them safer take away MY guns? Seriously, because some people are f*cked in the head, do you think the solution is to stop ME from having a gun? And Tex, your suicide story would have happened anyway. He didn't just decide to do it because he had access to a gun. That is a whole different bag of issue. I'd like to hear your honest opinion on gun policy. We all know this guy suffered from mental illness. Every single person that does one of these cowardly attacks is either sick or just plain stupid. Unfortunately, it's going to be hard to identify all these people and even if you did there's nothing you can do them to guarantee they won't do something crazy. What we can control is their ability to kill people in large quantities as best we can. What purpose does an assault rifle serve other than making some hillbilly feel powerful? It's not used for sport and it's not used for self-defense unless China decides to invade at some point. It's intended to be a killing machine and should not be allowed for purchase in this country. I don't even understand how they were ever legal in the first place. Banning them would be a small and simple way to possibly limit the amount of deaths in an attack like we saw this week. Obviously such a ban doesn't truly guarantee anyone safety, but I see no benefit to this country by allowing its citizens to purchase assault rifles. Do you disagree on this? I will bet there are more assault rifles in the city than there are in "hillbilly" country. It's amazing the sterotypes that come out.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Dec 15, 2012 -> 12:32 PM) this is my point though, after than FIRST shot isn't the likelihood you hit your target close to nil unless you're an expert marksman? (if i'm wrong you can let me know too, i'm not all that experienced with hunting. shooting yes, but hunting no) No, you have the time to take the three shots. Depending on the choke set on the shotgun you can have it set for wider or narrow shot pattern. With the narrow shot pattern you can hit the bird from 100 yards. Again, the shotgun has a limit of three so it's not the semi-auto handgun with a 15 round clip. Those are intended for shooting ranges and are the most common in violent crimes. I don't have handguns just for that reason.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Dec 15, 2012 -> 09:34 AM) as a hunter i've got a question - when is a semi-automatic rifle useful in a hunting scenario? the moment you fire, unless your aim was on, that game is bounding off through the woods, leaving you plenty of time to reload, no? I hunt mostly pheasant, quail, ducks and such, so there is no time to reload. However, I personally use a double barrel so I do not have a semi automatic.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 15, 2012 -> 07:08 AM) IMO there is a far greater chance a loved one gets injured by your gun through an accident than its presence will actually protect your family. A night doesn't go by in Chicago where multiple people don't get shot, it's just very rare a home invasion winds up with people shot. It does happen obviously, but most residential burglars don't carry a gun with them. It seems to me more people get injured cleaning a gun or finding daddy's gun, than people using a gun to successfully defend their home, although some 80 year old guy did it a month or so ago. This is the part that is unacceptable to me. There is no reason for a child to be able to access a gun. I have a number of rifles and shotguns. We go shooting and hunting on a regular basis. The guns are never out of the safe at home. I have the key in a spot they cannot find let alone reach. You read about this thing happening so often and it's the parent's fault for not teaching the children properly and not securing them.

QUOTE (Jake @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 08:05 PM) I bought his ebook before I even finished reading So did I.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 11, 2012 -> 08:04 AM) If the Sox are interested in bringing back AJ, I doubt they would pay him less than they paid him last season. $6 million a year can be construed as both a bargain and fair. Wasn't that contract backloaded though? Wasn't it 2 mil for year one and 6 for year with a total value of 2 years for 8 mil? You're right though. I don't see them giving him much of a pay cut if any.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Dec 10, 2012 -> 07:12 PM) Imo, velocity is very similar to power in boxing. You can achieve slight gains by gaining strength and refining mechanics, but ultimately, it's something you're born with. I'm always skeptical of scouting reports that say a kid has the frame to add velocity. Sure, it happens, but it's rare. Again, I think the main catalyst in the offensive spike was the ball. It was physically very different than the old balls and even the balls used in Japan. That's part of what makes Pedros achievements so remarkable. He was able to get extreme movement on a seamless ball on a variety of pitches. He also had a physical advantage. He had extremely long fingers relative to his hand. He could also bend his fingers back to his wrist. It enabled him to hold the ball longer and achieve greater spin. Edit. I didn't mean to quote your post ptatc. The guy who had the longest fingers relative to his size that I ever met was Jack McDowell. This was why he had that great splitter. He was just an anatomic freak. I've seen other pitchers have surgery to cut the web space between their fingers to have more "split" but no one matched his.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 10, 2012 -> 06:20 PM) Did you read this story when it came out? How do you feel about it? http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/maga...oids/index.html That is a common story for people who abuse the PEDs. If you take too much these are the things that cn happen. If you figure out what dosage will help your performance but not really change your personality too much (it will change some) these things don't always happen. This guy had an addictive personality to begin with shown by the alcohol abuse, so it's not surprising he abused the PEDs. He probably liked the way they made him feel more than the performance enhancement. This can be why some people use them who are not competitive athletes. They like the way it makes them look and feel.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 10, 2012 -> 05:46 PM) Gagne is the best example I can give of a guy who was incredible on the juice and seemingly flamed out right afterwards. If that's just improvement in his workouts, that's fine, whatever the mechanism is, that's a guy who came out of no where, threw 100, then flamed out. Clemens is an interesting case and if we had the same data now as then I bet it would actually show up if you plotted his average velocity...because if he's recovering better, getting better workouts in-between outings, and in the offseason, it might not have made him throw hard on a single pitch, but it could have given him a higher average velocity by allowing him to endure better. Imagine Verlander except it doesn't tire him out to throw 100 all the time so he doesn't need to save anything. The being able to have the velocity and endurance longer is definitely true. Some of the increased velocity could be linked to overall body strength as I said earlier. since there are so many variables involved it may just be to difficult to prove. However, some of it may be due to the "rage" effect as well ,especially for a reliever who only needs to do it for a short period of time.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 10, 2012 -> 04:15 PM) If the juice didn't impact someone's velocity, then I struggle to explain a lot of things like the Gagne run. Part of the reason behind this is there is no correlation between shoulder muscle strength and your velocity. The strength needed for a pitcher is to have the shoulder remain stable through the pitching motion. This is the job of the rotator cuff and biceps tendon. It may be that the overall strength of the body makes your velocity increase as most of the power from a pitch really comes from the legs and back. However there are so many muscles and thus variables that it would be difficult to show a correlation. Pitchers generally don't lift weights like a hitter to put on mass. This will decrease the flexibility no matter how much you stretch. They strengthen for endurance (lower weights higher reps) or with therabands. This allows them to keep the flexibility necessary to keep the large range needed to perform the pitching motion. This does not produce the massive increase in strength from PEDs but more endurance and recovery. The primary purpose of PEDs really is to allow the body to work out harder and more often. If you took PEDs but didn't workout it wouldn't be nearly as effective. In the 80's powerlifters at the Olympic level would lift a body segment 3x/wk. Today most of them are clean and only lift hard 1x/wk for a body segment.

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Dec 9, 2012 -> 10:22 PM) Insane KC overpay Two major league proven pitchers for a few suspects? I think the Royals got a better deal unless their are 3-4 pitchers going to TB. Edit: nevermind I just saw the pitchers that went over. The royals still strengthening their current team.

QUOTE (G&T @ Dec 7, 2012 -> 09:19 PM) I know that people outside WI only think of New Glarus but Central Waters is also a solid brewery (among many others). Right now I'm drinking a CW Bourbon Barrel Aged Stout and it is fantastic. The vanilla and hint of cherry rounds the roasted coffee really well. Just a nice touch of malted milk. Careful at 9.5%. i like Sprecher as well. I was there when they opened in 1985. They treated the college kids really well knowing we would grow up and continue to drink the product. I'm not familiar with Central Waters but i'm willing to learn. I don't usually make it that far north but everything from the website looks good.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 6, 2012 -> 03:39 PM) I will make it quick because this is probably a SLaM discussion, but I learned a lot of "Last a while" meals when I was in college because take-out was just too expensive Eating in college mostly consisted of 8 for $1.00 Ramen noodle. It's no wonder I have high blood pressure now.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 6, 2012 -> 08:12 AM) Greinke is married to a former Cowboys cheerleader. Maybe she is pushing for Texas. I agree. Don't discount the effect of the wife, especially when the money is fairly even.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 6, 2012 -> 09:17 AM) Angels had just picked him up. Maybe insurance if we can't find a FA utility man. Yeah, looks like he would be a decent UT guy for the infield. He looks like he has a good arm. Maybe he is a candidate for a santos and they will turn him into a reliever.