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QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 10:13 PM) Peyton Manning's problem is different. No it's not. The only difference is that one is in the cervical spine and Crede's was in the lumbar spine.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 03:24 PM) Then again, he's a QB. They get hit like once or twice a year now with the pussification of football. So true.

QUOTE (Iwritecode @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 03:38 PM) I've never personally met him but I would not have guessed that based on everything I've seen, heard and read about AJ. He's made a few funny commercials. He was part of the "3 stooges" along with Rowand and Crede in 2005. IIRC, they were Joe, Row & Po. I know he can get under the skin of opponents when he wants to. He's the guy where you say "Yea, he's a jerk, but he's OUR jerk." I've been with him in baseball lockerrooms and have had many friends work with him. He is a personality for the commercials but you will be hard pressed to find many people who tolerate him let alone like him. Except the Hawkaroo of course. Don't get me wrong he has been a valuable player for the Sox and isn't a "cancer" like Bonds who outwardly try to disturb other players. He usually sits around watching TV (college football mostly) and keeps to himself, throwing a few verbal shots at people.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 12:16 PM) How are you defining "Mean"? Depends on what the definition of "is" is.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 02:13 PM) How in the heck could Manning EVER consider playing again? I mean baseball is much less contact, so much less, and Crede's back is wrecked. Manning is going to get hit in the back a lot. If he plays again he has a screw loose. Isn't there danger in playing, ptatc? sure there's danger in playing but probably no more than the others players. He will have metal plates in his neck. The danger is that if he injures it again there may not be much left to put back together and he will have problems for the rest of his life with numbness and tingling in his arms.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 11:31 AM) How does AJ rank ahead of Zambrano and Bradley? He has never gone after teammates or even gotten into a fight in which he was the aggressor. Just stupid The examples you used are specific instances. Maybe they aren't always like that and they do have some friends. AJ is just a mean, surly person. He is like that all the time he is not pleasant to anyone. He would be my vote for the meanest jerk in baseball along with Bonds and Gary Sheffield but they aren't active any longer.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 01:15 PM) I had forgotten about that. I wonder if that would have changed anything anyway. Back surgerys are notorious for being unreliable. Back surgeries are extremely unreliable. Sometimes you can exhaust all options and you need to have them. However, the spine is one area where I would really use it as a last resort. The latest example of this is Peyton Manning. The lockout really hurt him as he had the cervical spinal surgery without being followed closely by the team medical group. The surgery didn't work and now he just had a spinal fusion and could be in alot of trouble once he tries to comeback. I'm sure he will need to have hardware placed in the spine and it will need to stay in there to prevent any further injuries.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Sep 13, 2011 -> 11:20 AM) Well, he did hope for the offseason to get here as soon as possible. A large part of that was due to is arm tiring because of the extensive rehab last off season. He worked alot harder this past off season after surgery than anyone normally would. He needed to and he did. I'm sure if the team was in a true pennant race he would have tried to keep going if the team needed it.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Sep 13, 2011 -> 11:07 AM) I know there is a group of people who don't believe Peavy should re-sign with the Sox for a low amount (depending on a good year in 2012) to make up for the lack of performance he's delivered in his time here compared to his salary. But if he wants to keep spewing his good-old-boy hillbilly work ethic crap and how he just wants the team to win, to be taken seriously in the future, he really ought to do something like that. I know he doesn't have to, and it'd be a stupid financial move to do so, but going off and signing a bigger deal elsewhere would just prove that all of his talk is nothing but lip service. I still don't see the problem with talking about working hard especially in his case. He busted his rear to get back to pitching this year coming back from a surgery that no pitcher ever has. Regardless of his results you can't possibly think that he hasn't worked hard and lived up to everything he has said. He hasn't talked about working hard and then just sat around doing nothing. I know he hasn't performed well but to blast his work ethic isn't right.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 13, 2011 -> 11:10 AM) So no difference really between if the tears happen to include the bone or not, but more occurrences of the tears in general if they have been using steroids? There are more tears and avulsion fractures with athletes using steriods. There are more avulsion fractures than straight muscle/tendon tears.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 13, 2011 -> 10:26 AM) Have you found any kind of equivalency with steroid usage? If you don't feel comfortable answering that, just say so, I understand if you don't want to. Not really. It's more just what I've observed from athletes who were using steriods. Mostly in football, track and field and professional body building.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 13, 2011 -> 08:25 AM) Well sort of. He did say it was more common to tear bone with it, but it was possible. Yes, it is possible and does happen. I've just seen more of the avulsion fracture over the years.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 13, 2011 -> 08:16 AM) isn't it also true that not every muscle/bone connection is the same, and that different tears ought to work in different ways? They are all the same in that there are connections called Sharpey's fibers which is connective tissue which goes from the tendon to the periosteum of the bone. They are continuous with both structures to provide a strong connections. However, some are stronger than other based on the size of the muscle, tendon and bone structures.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Sep 12, 2011 -> 06:05 PM) That one reliever blew up his elbow due to steroids. Pulling a muscle off the bone seems possible. Take it easy with the attacks. I truly don't believe you'll last long here. What usually happens with steriods is that the muscle is so strong that there is an avulsion fracture. This is where the force is so great that the muscle pulls off a piece of bone. Of course you can tear the tendon off the bone but from my experience it is more likely that the piece of bone comes off.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 2, 2011 -> 10:44 AM) I think Torborg did a better job with less talent. Possibly. I really did like him. He was a better in game manager for sure. He had robin and Frank and a decent pitching staff. No one thought much of what Ozzie had in 2005 prior to the year. I still go by wins and nobody has won like Ozzie.

I think Ozzie is a good (not great) manager. He is the best manager the Sox have had in decades, although that really isn't saying much. All that being said I think he has worn out his welcome and it's time for him to go. He will go on and be successful in Florida or wherever and it will drive me nuts but he has finally convinced me that it's time to go.

QUOTE (buhbuhburrrrlz @ Aug 16, 2011 -> 06:36 PM) He just said on CSN they'll re-evaluate in 10 days. If it's not healing correctly he'll probably need surgery and would be out for the year. Then it most likely is the scaphoid, lunate or capitate. Those are the three bones which are the most important to wrist function. The most commonly fractured is the scaphoid which is the one that Quentin fractured a couple of years ago.

QUOTE (bobryansson @ Aug 16, 2011 -> 04:34 PM) You misread. I include "scaphoid" after "others," as in the ones that sometimes don't heal as well, so require more careful observation & follow-up. That being said, what you say is true. And not to get pissy here, well, ok, to get pissy, the scariest problem with scaphoid fractures is with nonunion and avascular necrosis. The blood supply is mostly from the far to the near end and a fracure in the middle can disrupt the blood supply to the near end. When this happens the fracture can fail to heal and the fracture fragment at the near end can die. Whether we love or hate AJP, we'd like for this to not happen to him. Correct the AVN is the most serious problem that could occur. The resultant loss of stability and ROM will be the problem that AJ would need to deal with. However, if it was the scaphoid and the medical staff was worried about this, he probably would be scheduled for surgery and have a screw put in. Since they haven't done this and put him only on the 15 day DL my guess is that it isn't a significant fracture in the scaphoid.

QUOTE (bobryansson @ Aug 16, 2011 -> 03:40 PM) Has anyone published which bone? Some fractures (triquetral) heal more quickly with less risk than others (scaphoid/navicular). The scaphoid doesn't really heal faster, it's just that who have to be more careful with the immobilization. The scaphoid is shaped like a peanut and fractures usually occur in the middle, thinner part. The bone is really important to the wrist motion so you have to immobilize it longer to make sure you don't lose range of motion, this would be terrible for a ballplayer. This usually occurs in more obvious fractures, however it can occur in harder to detect ones.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 16, 2011 -> 03:16 PM) That isn't unusual in the wrist. There are a lot of small bones, plus I am sure there was a ton of swelling in the area. You're right. X-rays are usually inconclusive in the wrist. The standard protocol is to wait a few days and do a bone scan or CT later to determine if the is a fracture. Good news is that it's likely a small one so it's probably only about a 3 week immobilization period. Could be as much a 6 but those are rare.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Aug 16, 2011 -> 10:41 AM) Yea, I've thought about this. I'm in the club level to try to minimize the chances of this...and if the baby gets loud or something I can take her in so shes not bothering people. I always brought a glove to make sure I could stop the ball before it got to the child. If you are in the club seats where the sun is on you, be sure to bring something to cover the child. It amazing what the sun even that late in the evening can do to a child's skin.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 14, 2011 -> 10:46 PM) I sense the general feeling is Humber hasn't been very good of late and I've read a lot of comments indicating he's spent, or out of gas. To the pitching experts, maybe ptatc ... is this natural? What are the technical reasons for his being spent at this time? Can we expect his arm to be all strong next season at this same juncture? Or will he be spent after the all-star break again? I'm just wondering why his reaching a certain amount of innings is suddenly the reason for his being not as effective as the first half. If we are to assume his arm is fatigued because he's pitched more innings than ever before ... my question is, when can we expect him to be able to pitch into August, September, October effectively? Would that be next year? Never? I truly would love to be enlightened on arm strength. Pretty much what the other replies says is accurrate. Pitching is like any other physical activity, you need to train to do it efficiently and have increased endurance. Compare it to running. You can't train at a 5K distance and expect to finish a marathon without struggling with form and cause tissue breakdown with injury. You need to slowly build up. You can do cross training like bike riding to help some but it won't get you in the best form possible. Humber could continue to pitch regularly but it will add extra stress on his arm and cause him to be inconsistent with his form. This generally doesn't turn out well.He needs either more rest or going to the pen to decrease the amount of work. Peavy is the same but different story. He needs to throw to build strength to go deeper in games. His decrease in performance after 75-80 pitches has been discussed but the solution isn't as straight forward due to the unique injury. He needs to throw to build strength so you don't want to limit his pitches. However, no one knows how long or if the strength will return to do this. This has been the X factor with him all along. Everyone knew he would throw again and he did it in a reasonale time table. What non one knew and still doesn't know is how long it will take for the lat strength and subsequent shoulder motion to return. Most professional athletes say that it takes 18 months after major surgery to feel "near normal" again. They return usually around 9-12 months after but need to re-acclimate the body to sports again. The only way to do this is to participate in the sport but it can be a frustrating process with performance

QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 11, 2011 -> 08:35 AM) Moron. And as far as other organizations go, the Bears required season ticket holders to pay for their seats months and months ago, despite no evidence that there would even be a season this year. I'm sure it was going towards operating expenses while the players were locked out. And Greg, you remind me of the guy in the Geico commercial that's been living under a rock. It is much worse for the Bears. They said with the payment invoice that they had up to 60 days after each game was supposed to be played to refund our money for that game. The Bears are a much more stingy and poorly run organization than the Sox ever have been. But I continue to get season tickets there as well. I enjoy going to sporting events live.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Aug 11, 2011 -> 08:29 AM) That's good to know, I'll take that option. Apparently, I'm a moron. I've been a season ticket holder since 2004, and I don't plan to give that up because of this season. And since we've moved into a primo location for our section, and I don't want to lose it, I'll be renewing, which means paying the postseason invoice. Moron here as well. I like the seats I have as well. I look at it as more of a payment plan than anything else. I was going to keep the season tickets anyway so this isn't extra money just an earlier down payment.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Aug 10, 2011 -> 04:58 PM) You can get a refund I believe or apply it to next season. I will not be doing either. If you take the refund option you lose your season ticket seat and senoirty.